A thought about oil drilling.

[bigbulls]

I was thinking about the lack of drilling of oil in the United States while also thinking about some of the latest "states rights" legislation being passed.

I wonder if it would be possible for the individual states to pass legislation similar to the Montana guns legislation that would allow a state to drill within their borders and/or waters, refine that oil and sell it to their residents while bypassing federal laws, OPEC, etc...?

Or would this be far too cost prohibitive?

[Knightia]

We passed that same gun law thing here in Wy last yr( someone on here told me that would make o bamy king & or emperor( didnt understand that then or now)

From what i understand the guns have to be made here & stay here & cant be fullauto etc( innerstate/state to state commerce & all that) some of the laws involved.

How oil would stay within a state or our air,water etc so the epa/fed wouldnt have a say so in production etc im not sure.

Or would this be far too cost prohibitive?

Its not the federal gov footing the bills for production of course- they just sit back in DC & collect the royalties($$) taxes etc

We arnt a big oil producer now( 7 th) less so now & we have a small population -and here & some other western states( Ak Ut,Nv , Mt etc etc etc ) are also composed of a lot of fed lands so that would complacate things some to id think.

So we( the state) could sub contract & produce our own oil etc id think( as one method) - but dont see how the epa & fed isnt going to butt its nose in all though.
( dont know how it work i guess i should say)
This is per capita data ( not sure how much we consume here total)

Edit to add i do see per capita& per state consumtion charts to now that i look)

Ak is sure cranking it out still per capita.

Energy Statistics > Oil production (per capita) (most recent) by state


1 Alaska:100,191.363 per 100,000 people
# 2 Wyoming:10,135.403 per 100,000 people
# 3 North Dakota:4,893.219 per 100,000 people
# 4 New Mexico:3,331.079 per 100,000 people
# 5 Montana:2,642.385 per 100,000 people
# 6 Louisiana:1,843.896 per 100,000 people
# 7 Oklahoma:1,761.67 per 100,000 people
# 8 Texas:1,718.581 per 100,000 people
# 9 Kansas:1,233.583 per 100,000 people
# 10 California:664.799 per 100,000 people
# 11 Utah:592.367 per 100,000 people
# 12 Mississippi:587.213 per 100,000 people
# 13 Colorado:473.658 per 100,000 people
# 14 Arkansas:242.232 per 100,000 people
# 15 South Dakota:174.886 per 100,000 people
# 16 Alabama:163.302 per 100,000 people
# 17 Nebraska:142.541 per 100,000 people
# 18 Illinois:86.059 per 100,000 people
# 19 West Virginia:73.699 per 100,000 people
# 20 Michigan:63.325 per 100,000 people
# 21 Kentucky:61.053 per 100,000 people
# 22 Ohio:50.462 per 100,000 people
# 23 Indiana:27.982 per 100,000 people
# 24 Pennsylvania:20.419 per 100,000 people
# 25 Nevada:19.173 per 100,000 people
# 26 Florida:16.161 per 100,000 people
# 27 Tennessee:6.054 per 100,000 people
# 28 Missouri:1.517 per 100,000 people
# 29 New York:0.883 per 100,000 people
# 30 Arizona:0.876 per 100,000 people
# 31 Virginia:0.251 per 100,000 people
Weighted average:4,232.9 per 100,000 people

[bergall]

I would like to know what happened to the federal court's overturn of Obama's ban on offshore drilling ? I would think it'd be just as valid before the deepwater blowout as it should be AFTER the blowout.....

With gasolene prices are being speculated in $5+/gal range, and with Obama's having no problems with it, we SHOULD BE in crisis mode but we are not. We lumber along fat dumb and happy while pump prices steadily and persistently rise.

I know people (democrats, all !) who are mentally unable to comprehend how rising oil prices will affect their lives, regardless of whether or not they drive...I can't WAIT for the moment of realization to hit....I will savor it.

[Fieldmouse]

Originally Posted by bergall

I would like to know what happened to the federal court's overturn of Obama's ban on offshore drilling ? I would think it'd be just as valid before the deepwater blowout as it should be AFTER the blowout.....

With gasolene prices are being speculated in $5+/gal range, and with Obama's having no problems with it, we SHOULD BE in crisis mode but we are not. We lumber along fat dumb and happy while pump prices steadily and persistently rise.

I know people (democrats, all !) who are mentally unable to comprehend how rising oil prices will affect their lives, regardless of whether or not they drive...I can't WAIT for the moment of realization to hit....I will savor it.

This week the Obama Administration has been held in contempt of court. They turned around and ignored the courts by reissuing the same ban on drilling. The problem is that hey are the government and he is a dictator. So not much relief until the Senate acts and we got stuck with the bill. We the tax payer have to pay all the legal bills for the corporations that challenged the moratorium.

[Knightia]

I know people (democrats, all !) who are mentally unable to comprehend how rising oil prices will affect their lives, regardless of whether or not they drive...I can't WAIT for the moment of realization to hit....I will savor it.

Know what ya mean( use to go on some green boards(yrs ago) , full of greenies, bike riders ,elfs,alfs etc) dim dems all- didnt seem to have a clue when it came to the real world.

[Knightia]

That reminds me- just a few yrs ago we had a second( we used it only a few mths a yr) home in Arkansas( for fishing) for about 4-5 yrs.

While watching the news there- the story said -the Fed gov was forcing the state to raise its electric rates- to be more in line with naboring states.

Thought it was crazy myself( ppl who live there im sure know more about it then me)

[Knightia]

This week the Obama Administration has been held in contempt of court. They turned around and ignored the courts by reissuing the same ban on drilling. The problem is that hey are the government and he is a dictator. So not much relief until the Senate acts and we got stuck with the bill. We the tax payer have to pay all the legal bills for the corporations that challenged the moratorium.
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That whole things with obama & us paying the legal fees etc sounds crazy to me to.

( he was holding up a bunch of oil,gas,mining leases & permits( along with rule& policy changes) etc for awhile here- some we did get/some not - ( strong arming/stacking the deck, putting the squeese on us( still is)( and the US/ppl) whatver ya want to call it. To further his agendas of course.







( wonder how many lawsuits Wy has aginst the US gov now)

[Fieldmouse]

Well look at the Obamacare bill no declared unconstitutional. You have tricky dickey durbin saying full speed ahead. Yet it's unconstitutional. I'm glad to hear there are states now ending any implementation to the bill because they won in court. Then yesterday, there was a Dem on TV saying the ruling didn't matter and it's bad legal advice to not implement the bill. WTF? Let me get this straight, you go to court, you win your case but if Dems don't agree with the ruling, you still loose?

[Knightia]

a state to drill within their borders and/or waters, refine that oil and sell it to their residents while bypassing federal laws, OPEC, etc...?

Ownership of the land & resource in the case oil is the state?( is a mixed bag here private,state,federal etc) off of coastal ca , Fla etc?

Have to have the mineral rights to yep. Watched a thing the other day about N dakota called- Boom town. Lotsa royalty checks being given out- But for some folks not so good. They owned the surface land rights for a bit of land only , but not the mineral rights.

One of our refiners in town is now a gulf course & (a real old one in the downtown area was paved over long ago) still a big refinery one right near town to though ( not sure how others or how many instate.( pretty sure i read of a new small gasoline only refinery plant near douglas.Private companys.

I can see why some pplwouldnt be to anxious nowadays to open a oil refinery business etc
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The refining process releases numerous different chemicals into the atmosphere; consequently, there are substantial air pollution emissions[7] and a notable odor normally accompanies the presence of a refinery. Aside from air pollution impacts there are also wastewater concerns,[3] risks of industrial accidents such as fire and explosion, and noise health effects due to industrial noise.
The public has demanded that many governments place restrictions on contaminants that refineries release, and most refineries have installed the equipment needed to comply with the requirements of the pertinent environmental protection regulatory agencies.

In the United States, there is strong pressure to prevent the development of new refineries, and no major refinery has been built in the country since Marathon's Garyville, Louisiana facility in 1976. However, many existing refineries have been expanded during that time. Environmental restrictions and pressure to prevent construction of new refineries may have also contributed to rising fuel prices in the United States.[8] Additionally, many refineries (over 100 since the 1980s) have closed due to obsolescence and/or merger activity within the industry itself. This activity has been reported to Congress and in specialized studies not widely publicised.

[brewman555]

Originally Posted by Fieldmouse

Let me get this straight, you go to court, you win your case but if Dems don't agree with the ruling, you still loose?

With Obama the Dictator and his Regime in charge......YES...YOU LOOSE !

But i wonder when the Supreme Court finds ObamaCare unconstitutional and Obama tells them (the SC) to pound sand if they will hold Obama in contempt and what will they do....????