Happy days, Obamacare is ruled unconstitutional!!!!
This doesn't end the court battle but it ends the law right now dead in it's tracks unless Ibama and company get relief from the courts. It's a great dayvto be an American and I would love to see insurance companies recind all coverage for the bums who are between 18 and 26 that went on mommy and daddy's plan.
"While the individual mandate was clearly 'necessary and essential' to the act as drafted, it is not 'necessary and essential' to health care reform in general," he continued. "Because the individual mandate is unconstitutional and not severable, the entire act must be declared void."
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Well when the majority of the states are fighting this, it doesn't look good in the courts.
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John Adams “The moment the idea is admitted into society that property is not as sacred as the laws of God, and that there is not a force of law and public justice to protect it, anarchy and tyranny commence.”
Ronald Reagan: 'Everybody that is for abortion has already been born'
"I never said I was worth it. I only said I wouldn't do it for less " William F. Buckley Jr.
I would love to see insurance companies recind all coverage for the bums who are between 18 and 26 that went on mommy and daddy's plan.
While I agree with your general happiness that Obamacare has been, at least temporarily, put on hold, I think it's inappropriate to categorize all of those between 18 and 26 as "bums" if they are on a parent's plan. My son just turned 18, is still in high school and is working a part time job that would barely cover the premium on his health insurance. I expect that he'll remain on our plan while he is in college earning his pharmacy degree. I don't think that makes him a "bum."
While I agree with your general happiness that Obamacare has been, at least temporarily, put on hold, I think it's inappropriate to categorize all of those between 18 and 26 as "bums" if they are on a parent's plan. My son just turned 18, is still in high school and is working a part time job that would barely cover the premium on his health insurance. I expect that he'll remain on our plan while he is in college earning his pharmacy degree. I don't think that makes him a "bum."
Whoa, being in school is one thing and that hadn't change under this law. Currently only the school systems have issues with the plan he is currently on. It maybe a rude awaking if they decide your plan is inadequate under the school rules and force you to buy into their system. My stuff was clearly focused towards the new law and forcing insurance companies pick up the tab for working adults. My question is what's next? Forcing them to pick up the tab for retired
parents?
On a side note, I wish him good luck with Pharmacy School. We have good friends that are both Pharmacist and work for CVS. He runs several of their pharmacies in the area.
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John Adams “The moment the idea is admitted into society that property is not as sacred as the laws of God, and that there is not a force of law and public justice to protect it, anarchy and tyranny commence.”
Ronald Reagan: 'Everybody that is for abortion has already been born'
"I never said I was worth it. I only said I wouldn't do it for less " William F. Buckley Jr.
So the constitution will be changed to make the law legal. How can anyone be happy backing away from a hole they just found when there's another right behind them.
The "individual mandate" is already enforced in many ways. I don't think the insurance industry will go away quietly now that some judge has told them too.
Follow the flow of money from here on out. Government will not be the loser.
So the constitution will be changed to make the law legal. How can anyone be happy backing away from a hole they just found when there's another right behind them.
The "individual mandate" is already enforced in many ways. I don't think the insurance industry will go away quietly now that some judge has told them too.
Follow the flow of money from here on out. Government will not be the loser.
I hear of no constitutional changes to regulate 'inaction', which was the
premise that got this law declared unconstitutional under the very 'commerce clause' the law was validated under. So I don't know what your first paragraph refers to.
The 'individual mandate' is enforced in many ways ? How so ? The insurance industry would prefer (I think) full-price individual plans as opposed to continued coverage under the 'family plan' at reduced rates...as well as a reduction in government regulation which they are subjected to under Obamacare. This does not even begin to address the fact that they MUST insure folks with pre-existing conditions, and they CANNOT drop your coverage simply because you're taking payouts from the plan you pay into. They were not happy about that so again, you need to flesh this argument out a bit...specifically about individual mandates.
Follow the money....a popular phrase these days...what money are you referring to ? What extra money will the government realize ?
FYI: OBAMACARE REMAINS IN EFFECT, PER JUDICIAL DIRECTIVE AS PART OF THE DECISION, ALLOWING THE GOVERNMENT TO APPEAL THE UNFAVORABLE DESCISION. So, while it's a happy day, it's not as happy as it COULD be....
Around here you can't drive a car without insurance. The state also has the authority to remove you from your home unless you pay the mandated realestate tax. The list goes on. Can't drive without a seat belt. You have no right to drive by a sobriety check point. THe insurance industry risks losing the mandated requirement in all ways. Which do you think they'd lose more on, pre existing or everything else and who says those pre existing won't be fast tract in to another dimension?
Many many things are mandated if it can be proven it's for the publics health and safety. They passed the thing didn't they.
There's an ace in the whole, Kagan. The first public health care law passed in this country was approved by the SC Kagan idolizes. It was thrown out in a later SC but brought back and has never gone away since and the reason it was brought back was the politician thought it would get them their vote, they thought the recipients would vote as a block, they didn't, still there, health care for women and children. Women were given the vote at the same time. Another constitutional change. LOL
Around here you can't drive a car without insurance. The state also has the authority to remove you from your home unless you pay the mandated realestate tax. The list goes on. Can't drive without a seat belt. You have no right to drive by a sobriety check point. THe insurance industry risks losing the mandated requirement in all ways. Which do you think they'd lose more on, pre existing or everything else and who says those pre existing won't be fast tract in to another dimension? OK...just so you know (it's obvious you don't), but driving a car is not a RIGHT. It's a privilege the state grants you by issuing licenses to qualified individuals who wish to use the state's roads. They regulate AN ACTION ON YOUR PART, that is, your CHOICE TO OPERATE A MOTOR VEHICLE ON THE STATE's ROADS. If you bought the car and only ever drove it in your woodlot and NEVER on the state's roads, you don't need a license OR insurance...don't need seat belts... All the other so=called driving regulations are the state's requirements to ALLOW you to use their roads. Do not confuse the difference between regulating an action, and MANDATING PUNISHMENT DUE TO INACTION. So the 'automobile' example is invalid and does not apply here. And I can't speak about other dimensions, alternate universes or stuff like that, only that they'd be just pleased as punch to be rid of the regulations imposed on them by Osamacare...they'd MAKE MORE as a result, without the regs.
Many many things are mandated if it can be proven it's for the publics health and safety. They passed the thing didn't they. They passed the thing..yes...blithering morons scrabbling for more power and the intent of expanding federal control over the private sector...and now there are 26 states contesting the actions of democrat traitorous scumbags. If you actually LOOK at what's mandated, they are ALL a result of SOMETHING YOU DO. NOT ONE OF THEM, with the exception of this commie health-care mandate, seeks to punish INACTIVITY.
There's an ace in the whole, Kagan. The first public health care law passed in this country was approved by the SC Kagan idolizes. It was thrown out in a later SC but brought back and has never gone away since and the reason it was brought back was the politician thought it would get them their vote, they thought the recipients would vote as a block, they didn't, still there, health care for women and children. Women were given the vote at the same time. Another constitutional change. LOL
you can LOL all you want...and I don't know what Kagan decisions you are referring to...please describe it...I am unfamiliar with health care for women and children as a matter of policy (could be my own ignorance, or it could be a figment of your imagination....it remains to be seen which). ANd please direct me to the area in the constitution that was changed as a result of this 'health care' mandate back in the day....
Happy days, Obamacare is ruled unconstitutional!!!!
Another constitutional change. LOL
