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Old 01-27-2011, 01:29 PM   #1
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Default DOW, Enviro Whackos, And Wolves= The Result









If you look at these numbers and are a hunter this has to piss you off!


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Elk numbers have fallen so low in the upper Gallatin River drainage that the state is proposing a permit-only season next year for at most 500 hunters.
The hunters aren’t to blame for the reduced number of elk. Two wolf packs and grizzly bears are responsible for the decline, according to Julie Cunningham, a wildlife biologist in the Bozeman office of Fish, Wildlife and Parks.
A meeting is being held Thursday in Bozeman to outline the problem and permit changes, as well as to hear the public’s suggestions.
“We need to discuss the nature of hunting in a resource that’s dwindling,” Cunningham said.
Hunting District 310 is about 219 square miles of rugged mountains and drainages southwest of Bozeman and northwest of Yellowstone National Park. The district is bordered by the Madison Range to the west and the Gallatin Range to the east. Its northern boundary extends to the east of the resort community of Big Sky.
Two packs hunt in the area. The Hayden pack had six wolves and the Cougar Two had 10 at the end of 2008. Grizzly bears, which were returned to the endangered species list in the Greater Yellowstone Ecosystem this year, also inhabit the territory, as do black bears and mountain lions.
Elk are the main food source for wolves in the region, and grizzly bears are the primary predators of elk calves. But it wasn’t until wolves arrived in the region in significant numbers that FWP saw the dramatic decline in elk numbers.

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As recently as 2005, 1,500 elk were counted in the hunting district. This year, only 200 were found.
“Our population objective is to manage within 20 percent of 1,500 wintering elk,” Cunningham said. “In recent years, we’re as far as 85 percent below that objective.”
In hopes of counteracting the elk population’s downturn, FWP eliminated late hunts in the district in 2004 and in 2007 went to a permit-only system for bulls, although the number of permits was not capped. Still, the elk population has declined by about 30 percent annually.
Hunters aren’t killing many elk — only about 60 in 2008. Instead, Cunningham said it is the area’s four-legged hunters that have taken a toll on the elk herd.
According to her research, in 2006 there were 23 wolves to every 1,000 elk in Hunting District 310. That compares to nine wolves to every 1,000 elk on the Northern Yellowstone Range in nearby Yellowstone Park. Grizzly bears numbered 57 to every 1,000 elk in HD 310, compared to nine per 1,000 on the Northern Range.
“Those ratios are really key when we expect to see wolf influence on elk distribution,” Cunningham said. “We ex-pect to see it at 10 per 1,000.”

Other causes?


She added that there are no habitat factors that would explain the decline in elk. Recreational use of the drainage by snowmobilers has been blamed by some for fewer wintering elk, but Cunningham said she’s not pointing any fingers.
Some elk, feeling too crowded by predators and people, simply relocated to a less-stressful environment in the Madison Valley, where large swaths of private land provide a safe haven but also keep hunters at bay. Without public hunting, wildlife managers can’t control population densities.
The fact that HD 310 contains good winter elk habitat on public land accessible to hunters yet isn’t being used to its fullest bothers Kurt Alt, Region 3 wildlife manager for FWP.
“Why would we not put an effort into restoring elk on public land?” Alt said.
Cunningham said FWP is seeing similar declines in elk caused by predators in portions of the Bitterroot and Clarks Fork valleys. Any formula that could revive elk in HD 310 might be duplicated in other hunting districts, she added.

Predator dilemma


One obvious way to revive the elk herd would be to thin the number of predators. Although Montana held its first wolf hunting season this fall, only two of the 72 killed were taken in the area of HD 310. Montana does not have a season for grizzly bears, although hunters pursuing other game account for the majority of grizzly deaths in the Greater Yellowstone Area.
But whether Montana will have a wolf hunting season next year is in doubt. U.S. District Judge Donald Molloy is considering if the animals should be relisted as an endangered species. He will make a ruling on the lawsuit next year.
Mike Leahy, Rocky Mountain region director of Defenders of Wildlife, said targeting wolves to boost the elk population would not be good conservation and should not be the role of government. He also noted that statewide, elk are doing well. In 2007, the state estimated the elk population at more than 123,500. The state’s wolf population is estimated at 500.
“You have some isolated situations like this one, but if you look at elk as a whole, they’re doing great,” Leahy said.
Defenders is one of several environmental groups challenging the delisting of gray wolves in the Northern Rockies. Leahy said the group believes this fall’s wolf hunts in Montana and Idaho were premature and not designed to sustain the survival of wolves.
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Old 01-27-2011, 01:43 PM   #2
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We are starting to see a similar pattern with the whitetail population in northern Wisconsin. While the number of deer that can be harvested is down, the population has not been increasing like it has in years with low, or no, wolf population. In some regions the numbers are in serious decline, which means where I hunt will be next to see a reduction of whitetail if the wolves move into it in greater numbers.

Balance is key. It's hard to get it right. The people who "love" the animals tend to never step foot in the woods so they don't understand the big picture.

It reminds me of the years I spent in high school and tried to get the image of starving deer across to the anti-hunters. It's an amazing sight to see a deer yard full of corpses after a winter of record snowfall, and not in a good way. The spring of 1989 is the spring my friends and I found the dead deer en masse. I'll never forget that sight.

I'll never regret taking a deer if it means keeping other deer from perishing slowly like that.
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Old 01-27-2011, 02:04 PM   #3
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Idaho County Wolf Raffle.....

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Old 01-27-2011, 02:37 PM   #4
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need to hunt grizzlies and wolves!

also limited tags may be the future....no more general tags?

I'd take quality over quantity though any day!

Of course if MT decides to sell fewer tags...they may want to consider raising that $19 resident elk tag fee, maybe to something more like $21? haha. really why increase the resident tag fee, I say let's make non-res tags over $2,000! (sarcasm...)

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Old 01-30-2011, 01:11 PM   #5
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Didnt see the story about the Dow- but the other ones are intresting.

Pain in the hiney DC welfare wolfs .

Why have a tag or season when all yr & any number will work here & they still wont be endangered.
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Of course if MT decides to sell fewer tags...they may want to consider raising that $19 resident elk tag fee, maybe to something more like $21? haha. really why increase the resident tag fee, I say let's make non-res tags over $2,000! (sarcasm...)
Sounds like you need to move to Mt Sal
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Every single idiot who was involved in the reintroduction of wolves in the lower 48 needs to be fed to them.

Yes... It's hyperbole, but, you get the picture...
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I don't see anyting wrong with the reintroduction.

I also understand the need for balance though. Wolves are predators, and we need to manage them just as we do other wildlife to maintain a good balance.

What makes the reintroduction a bad deal now is our inability to keep a balance due to the PETA led morons who hate us, and pet owners, who want to see us banned from the woods. Liberal idealists need to get out of the big cities and see what the real world is like.
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I don't see anyting wrong with the reintroduction.

I also understand the need for balance though. Wolves are predators, and we need to manage them just as we do other wildlife to maintain a good balance.
Right there is the big problem. Too many hunters and non-hunters alike bought into the idiotic Bruce Babbitt wolf re-introduction scam. Folks got all touch feely and supported the re-introduction of wolves. If folks in the affected states had just said hell no there would have been no wolf re-introduction.


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What makes the reintroduction a bad deal now is our inability to keep a balance due to the PETA led morons who hate us, and pet owners, who want to see us banned from the woods.

You seem conflicted: First you say that you supported the Enviro Waco-Bruce Babbit wolf re-introduction scam. Wolves got out of control because too many so called "sportsmen" sided with the anti-hunters and supported wolf re-introduction. Now you blame the folks that you sided with.

Look for a cougar "reintroduction" scam to surface in the near future.

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Molloy, what an idiot. Change this and we'll REALLY be faw....
"experimental, nonessential"

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Judge's ruling could put new limits on wolf hunts

BILLINGS, Mont. — A federal judge is asking if gray wolves should lose their experimental designation across much of the Northern Rockies - a move that could mean new restrictions on when the animals can be killed.

Friday's order from U.S. District Court Judge Donald Molloy in Missoula came after environmentalists sued over a government rule that made it easier to kill wolves that prey on big game herds.

Wolves across most of the Northern Rockies were reintroduced in the 1990s as an "experimental, nonessential" population. That gave the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service more flexibility in managing the species.

But Molloy said that special status may no longer be deserved because of interbreeding with Canadian wolves.

The judge set a Feb. 22 deadline for parties in the environmentalists' lawsuit to respond.


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Interbreeding? these killing machines would by instinct eradicate native wolves causing extinction, not hybrids
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