Just read this chapter, (5) a lot of things in it people need to know. You think you have struggles with your government, you might as well know how they started. I do believe that if enough people understand their past great positive changes can occur. Understand, those that rule over us know these things and use them just as those before us were used in the same way. Days may come when a choice is given, wouldn't it be wise to know where those choices will lead?
Plan on reading them all. History is a weapon that we are currently free to use, for now.
For too many decades the political hacks who run this country ignored history as they catered to the lobbyists in DC.
IMO: Not much is going to get done in the forseeable future. The president is still a Democrat and the Democrats still control the US senate. There will be some compromises worked out but there will be more impasses than compromises.
The white house and congress extended the Bush tax cuts. Now tax cuts are wonderful things, but tax cuts have consequences. The Republicans have long
rightly accused the Democrats of "tax and spend". There is something worse than tax and spend: That thing is borrow and spend. We have allowed the political hacks in DC to mortgage the future of generations of Americans who follow us.
Meanwhile the US debt will continue to climb. When the debt hits somewhere between 15 and 20 trillion dollars there could be a depression that makes the one in the 30s look like a cake walk.
For too many decades the political hacks who run this country ignored history as they catered to the lobbyists in DC.
Actually most of them are historians with degrees in the subject. They know what buttons to push and excuse the use of them as the ends justify s the means. The problem hasn't been ignorance on the part of politicians. They know exactly what they are doing, it's the people who suffer in willful disregard and or ignorance. We put them there.
Read the chapters and this will become evident. The people need to understand there history in order too be informed voters.
Read 6 last night, went on too much about the abuses women suffered but it was good. Didn't put 2+2 together on the subject of children out of wed lock being a crime. Part of the reason was the official didn't get the marriage fee, figures.
Chapter 5 had several interesting things in it, one being a quote about our Christian nation back in the late 1800's. You always here it's a recent concept.
Both chapters have touched on things discussed here.
Realized something the other day. A claim was made that the federal government hadn't grown since the 60's. The claim didn't make sense to me since the population has grown by over a hundred million people. The EPA came on the scene in the 1980's. Stuff like that is found in this publication. The person who made the claim was supposed to be a very concerned voter.
>>>>If women, of all the subordinate groups in a society dominated by rich white males, were closest to home (indeed, in the home), the most interior, then the Indians were the most foreign, the most exterior. Women, because they were so near and so needed, were dealt with more by patronization than by force. The Indian, not needed-indeed, an obstacle-could be dealt with by sheer force, except that sometimes the language of paternalism preceded the burning of villages.
And so, Indian Removal, as it has been politely called, cleared the land for white occupancy between the Appalachians and the Mississippi, cleared it for cotton in the South and grain in the North, for expansion, immigration, canals, railroads, new cities, and the building of a huge continental empire clear across to the Pacific Ocean. The cost in human life cannot be accurately measured, in suffering not even roughly measured. Most of the history books given to children pass quickly over it.
Statistics tell the story. We find these in Michael Rogin's Fathers and Children: In 1790, there were 3,900,000 Americans, and most of them lived within 50 miles of the Atlantic Ocean. By 1830, there were 13 million Americans, and by 1840, 4,500,000 had crossed the Appalachian Mountains into the Mississippi Valley-that huge expanse of land crisscrossed by rivers flowing into the Mississippi from east and west. In 1820, 120,000 Indians lived east of the Mississippi. By 1844, fewer than 30,000 were left. Most of them had been forced to migrate westward. But the word "force" cannot convey what happened.<<<
Here we see the population totals. Those numbers in the right context make a statement made possible or just plain absurd. Wouldn't know that without reading it. (I'm not making light of the subject just showing why history is a weapon against ignorance that calls people to a cause.)
>>>When Jefferson doubled the size of the nation by purchasing the Louisiana territory from France in 1803-thus extending the western frontier from the Appalachians across the Mississippi to the Rocky Mountains-he thought the Indians could move there. He proposed to Congress that Indians should be encouraged to settle down on smaller tracts and do farming; also, they should be encouraged to trade with whites, to incur debts, and then to pay off these debts with tracts of land. ".. . Two measures are deemed expedient. First to encourage them to abandon hunting... - Secondly, To Multiply trading houses among them ... leading them thus to agriculture, to manufactures, and civilization...."
Jefferson's talk of "agriculture . . . manufactures . . . civilization" is crucial. Indian removal was necessary for the opening of the vast American lands to agriculture, to commerce, to markets, to money, to the development of the modern capitalist economy. Land was indispensable for all this, and after the Revolution, huge sections of land were bought up by rich speculators, including George Washington and Patrick Henry. In North Carolina, rich tracts of land belonging to the Chickasaw Indians were put on sale, although the Chickasaws were among the few Indian tribes fighting on the side of the Revolution, and a treaty had been signed with them guaranteeing their land. John Donelson, a state surveyor, ended up with 20,000 acres of land near what is now Chattanooga. His son-in-law made twenty-two trips out of Nashville in 1795 for land deals. This was Andrew Jackson.<<<
Your history. It's the same all the time. You people go on about the government like it's gotten worse. These politicians know what sells and we don't even know were being sold.
The founders encouraged the abandonment of hunting for some and people thought it was a good idea. Your government is doing the same today and to people they want something from. You want to give the government the authority to limit the freedoms of people just because they're Muslim? Your next on the hit list. Politicians know exactly what they are doing and they count on we the people to be ignorant. This is stuff kids should be learning in school. Keep reading and you'll see how the educational system knows this and deliberately refuses to teach it.
Were you ever taught in school it was your patriotic duty to understand your history? Nope. Why? They are a political institution.
We received freedom to bear arms, shortly there after a group of Americans were denied that right and the people were good with that. How's that working out for ya now? You know why they were denied? They were classified un-American. It would be so easy for the government to define what an American is and many not make the list.
>>>Jackson became a national hero when in 1814 he fought the Battle of Horseshoe Bend against a thousand Creeks and killed eight hundred of them, with few casualties on his side. His white troops had failed in a frontal attack on the Creeks, but the Cherokees with him, promised governmental friendship if they joined the war, swam the river, came up behind the Creeks, and won the battle for Jackson.
When the war ended, Jackson and friends of his began buying up the seized Creek lands. He got himself appointed treaty commissioner and dictated a treaty which took away half the land of the Creek nation. Rogin says it was "the largest single Indian cession of southern American land." It took land from Creeks who had fought with Jackson as well as those who had fought against him, and when Big Warrior, a chief of the friendly Creeks, protested, Jackson said:
Listen.. . . The United States would have been justified by the Great Spirit, had they taken all the land of the nation.. .. Listen-the truth is, the great body of the Creek chiefs and warriors did not respect the power of the United States-They thought we were an insignificant nation-that we would be overpowered by the British... . They were fat with eating beef- they wanted flogging. .. . We bleed our enemies in such eases to give them their senses.
As Rogin puts it: "Jackson had conquered 'the cream of the Creek country,' and it would guarantee southwestern prosperity. He had supplied the expanding cotton kingdom with a vast and valuable acreage."
Jackson's 1814 treaty with the Creeks started something new and important. It granted Indians individual ownership of land, thus splitting Indian from Indian, breaking up communal landholding, bribing some with land, leaving others out-introducing the competition and conniving that marked the spirit of Western capitalism. It fitted well the old Jeffersonian idea of how to handle the Indians, by bringing them into "civilization."
From 1814 to 1824, in a series of treaties with the southern Indians, whites took over three-fourths of Alabama and Florida, one-third of Tennessee, one-fifth of Georgia and Mississippi, and parts of Kentucky and North Carolina. Jackson played a key role in those treaties, and, according to Rogin, "His friends and relatives received many of the patronage appointments-as Indian agents, traders, treaty commissioners, surveyors and land agents...."
Jackson himself described how the treaties were obtained: "... we addressed ourselves feelingly to the predominant and governing passion of all Indian tribes, i.e., their avarice or fear." He encouraged white squatters to move into Indian lands, then told the Indians the government could not remove the whites and so they had better cede the lands or be wiped out. He also, Rogin says, "practiced extensive bribery."<<<
Don't see the Indian but replace him with the people today. Do you really think your government doesn't know what they're doing?
Thanks for posting the link to Zinn's book. I have been wanting to read it for awhile now.
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Originally Posted by nodog
Your history. It's the same all the time. You people go on about the government like it's gotten worse. These politicians know what sells and we don't even know were being sold.
The founders encouraged the abandonment of hunting for some and people thought it was a good idea. Your government is doing the same today and to people they want something from. You want to give the government the authority to limit the freedoms of people just because they're Muslim? Your next on the hit list. Politicians know exactly what they are doing and they count on we the people to be ignorant. This is stuff kids should be learning in school. Keep reading and you'll see how the educational system knows this and deliberately refuses to teach it.
Were you ever taught in school it was your patriotic duty to understand your history? Nope. Why? They are a political institution.
Great post. The MO is always the same: control. Radical Islam is just a means to an end. Is it really the Muslims that "hate our freedom?" Are the Muslims bringing about world governance? They couldn't be more on the outside.
The powers that be (oh, I know...sounds so "tin foil hat" of me) know exactly how to manipulate and control the population. And they've gotten better with every technological advancement. They are experts in dividing and conquering, and experts in diversionary tactics.
Reading the chapter you posted was amazing and stark in contrast to the "recourse" we have today. When they people were getting trampled, they brought guns to the courthouse. Today you can't even cross the D.C. border with pistol on your hip, much less a rifle over your shoulder. In fact, someone dressed as V (from "V for Vendetta"...excellent movie!) was walking on the PA Ave sidewalk and was detained at length for having plastic knives as part of his costume.
We only have enough rights to keep us at bay...enough to make us think we are free. Push your rights to the limit and see how free you really are. There is an organization, "We the People Foundation," that has submitted petitions for redress of grievances to the US Gov't ACCORDING TO THE CONSTITUTION, and, you guessed it, they have not received a single response.
Nodog, those are very good posts. i will read the book. +1 for what 7.62 NATO said.
Today Native Americans are not allowed to lease the oil and mineral rights on their own land to the highest bidder. The corrupt Bureau of Indian Affairs leases the oil and mineral rights on Indian lands to whoever they so desire. For many decades the BIA has allowed corporations to steal oil and minerals off Indian land.
A federal court ordered the US government to reimburse Native Americans for minerals that were stolen off their land-they got pennies on the dollar.
Just remember it's a historians view among many. It does ring true with what I've read before.
I'd still rather be among voters who know their history even though we may disagree on how to take it. As it is a voter is issue driven, never coming to an answer and always jumping to the next issue before anyone has a chance to give it any critical thought. I hate it. Politicians feed on it.
So many things people should know in order to stop others from using them. Many think McCarthyism is "the red scare". Actually started under Wilson and supported by the Supreme court Kagan thinks was perfect. Nobody asked her about it. The people never knew as they are ignorant of their history. So now we have someone on the court that believes people should be rounded up and put in prison for speaking out against their government and the court is now deciding on free speech. People were rounded up and thrown in prison during Wilson's term who did nothing more than speak out. One was freed and given an official apology by Harding.
So now we have someone on the court that believes people should be rounded up and put in prison for speaking out against their government...
All part of the MO. History is a weapon, but not for the masses. The masses will never be able to grasp to what depth they have been deceived. Most of them have been made completely inept by the system, others are too proud to admit they have been deceived to the core and gladly dismiss the ugly truth as conspiracy theory, and still others welcome it, believing that it is God’s will that these things happen.
I have wasted much time in trying to explain reality to people. I don’t waste my time anymore. If there is an opportunity to share with someone who seems really open and perceptive, I will. Really, I want to just focus on getting prepared. I can’t save anyone, but I can try to protect my family. If there are others that are on board, great. The more the merrier.
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