Iraq and Iran will merge into a Shia run Islamic paradise. The kings and princes in the Sunni ran paradise across the Persian Gulf will be urinating all over themselves while begging the US devil to nuke the Shia.
Hey...where did all the flag-wavers go? You know, the guys who argued, "We're fighting them there, so we don't have to fight them here."
What did we really accomplish? All that money, all those American lives...
Years later, the same questions I asked remain pertinent:
For what? For whom?
I am at the point, I might agree. I was one of those flag waivers. I tried to see the logic. Only God will know what it saved and didn't save. It will take 100 years to know if we are better off with what we as a country did.
If we stood the course and established bases there, it might have been worth it. Maybe even siezed thier oil fields. But at this time, I am about to believe it was a complete waste of life and time and money. I hope time will tell and it was worth it.
I salute your honesty, BC, despite the fact that I was filleted by many here for even asking questions.
What a difference a few years can make.
In my very first post on the matter I said something to this effect:
"It is easy to start fight in a bar. Its not so easy to stop it and get out. We need to think first before we march."
It is a repetitive scenario. We will all probably live to see yet another call too arms. We will remember?
I salute your honesty, BC, despite the fact that I was filleted by many here for even asking questions.
What a difference a few years can make.
In my very first post on the matter I said something to this effect:
"It is easy to start fight in a bar. Its not so easy to stop it and get out. We need to think first before we march."
It is a repetitive scenario. We will all probably live to see yet another call too arms. We will remember?
History's answer: "Of course not."
Well, if we operated the way the world operated 200 years ago, the iraq invasion would be great. i mean the rule was, if you got the might, you got the right. If you as a country was not strong enough to hold your belongings or ground, you lost it. This concept worked for thousands of years among humans and still works in the animal kingdom. Its just the last 100 years, that we have diplomacy, and the thought process changed from "conquering lands and people" to "stealing land and pocessions".
Even King David had to fight for what was Israels. US had to fight for the right to be recognized as a country.
So your idea of history and call to arms is a new one. And when man looks at history of thousands of years, our new idea is a very small slice of time.
Hey...where did all the flag-wavers go? You know, the guys who argued, "We're fighting them there, so we don't have to fight them here."
What did we really accomplish? All that money, all those American lives...
Years later, the same questions I asked remain pertinent:
For what? For whom?
I don't recall if I've ever been a strong "flag-waver." I supported the idea of going in and getting rid of Saddam, but I can't understand why we didn't pull out afterwards. Instead we stuck around trying to convince people who hate us and our culture to do things our way.
I can see going into Afghanistan in an attempt to track down bin Laden, but once it became apparent we weren't going to find him, we should have bailed. We didn't like being under British rule so we tossed them out, a long time ago. When the British tried to come back, we tossed them out again. It the Afghans, Iraqis, etc., don't like the Taliban, let them deal with it. There are hordes of vicious, barbaric, savages doing their thing all over the world in many various places. There is just no way we can deal with all of them.
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I agree BC. I felt the principal was correct--get rid of saddam, get rid of his capacity for nukes, get rid of the WMD's. (Yes, they were there--he used them on his own people. Hiding them in the desert was no great feat--an entire air force was found buried out there--uncovered by a big storm, I think?)
IMO we should have gone in, done the job, and got out. It became a huge mess, and I blame most of it on liberals. Our soldiers getting prosecuted for doing what soldiers do, restricting them from even defending themselves, blocking funding, giving enemy combatants the same rights as a U.S. CITIZEN for crying out loud! It was as if our own people refused to let us win.
It's time to get out. Let them feed on each other. Only when they look like they might become a threat to us again should we go in, and then go in with bombs and clean house. They are not worth one American soldier's life IMO.
They have been at war with each other for hundreds of years, and will continue to do so. Their traditions, their lifestyles, and (dare I say it?) their religions demand it--it's all they know and evidently all they care to know.
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A wise man's heart is at his right hand; but a fool's heart at his left. Ecclesiasties 10:2
The last four letters in American..........I Can
The last four letters in Republican........I Can
The last four letters in Democrats.........Rats
Iraqi PM says U.S. troops must leave "on time."
