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Old 12-22-2010, 03:59 AM   #1
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ATF to Require U.S. Arm Dealers in SW Border States to Report Multiple Sales of Semi-Automatic Rifles
Wednesday, December 22, 2010
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(CNSNews.com) - The acting director of the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) says he expects the White House to approve an ATF proposal to impose an emergency regulation requiring U.S. gun dealers along the southwestern border to report multiple sales of semi-automatic rifles.
Ken Melson, ATF’s acting director, said during a Dec. 20 Webcast, “We took this step as a way to help gain actionable law enforcement intelligence, which we believe will help reduce criminal firearms trafficking along the Southwest border.”
Pro-gun rights groups oppose the ATF proposal.
On Dec. 17, the ATF announced through the Federal Register its intent to require the reporting of multiple sales of certain long guns by licensed firearms dealers in four Southwest border states.
An ATF spokesperson told CNSNews.com that the reporting requirement will apply to all licensed firearms dealers -- approximately 8,500 of them -- in Texas, New Mexico, Arizona and California.
Under the proposal, the ATF would require dealers to report to authorities when they sell within five consecutive business days two or more semi-automatic rifles greater than .22 caliber and with detachable ammunition magazines.
“Before we can actually issue the Demand Letter [to firearms dealers] we must receive approval from the Office of Management and Budget for purposes of the paperwork reduction act,” said Melson. “We expect to receive that approval in early January 2011.”
The White House press office did not return CNSNews.com’s requests for comment.
The ATF director said the initiative will be implemented “as a pilot project for a period of one year,” although the Federal Register announcement states that approval of the proposal is valid for a trial period of about 6 months.
The Federal Register posting says that emergency approval would last 180 days (or 6 months) for a comment and review period. After that time, the ATF can request to end the requirement or ask that it be extended for a longer period of time.
Second Amendment groups say no
“We oppose this,” Rachel Parsons, a spokeswoman for the National Rifle Association (NRA), told CNSNews.com. “We support legitimate proposals to curb gun crime. This will do absolutely nothing to address the problem in Mexico. All it will do is further burden law-abiding people and won’t affect the problem in Mexico at all.”
“We think this is bargaining away our Second Amendment and our freedom, and this is a Mexico problem, and the solution resides in Mexico,” she said. “These drug lords are armed with fully automatic firearms, Rocket-Propelled Grenades, armored vehicles – they don’t care about semi-automatic rifles in the United States.”
“This mandate will not only violate federal statutory law prohibiting a federal gun registry, it will also give the [ATF] another excuse to harass American gun dealers, while doing nothing to address the problem of border violence,” the Gun Owners of America (GOA) said in a Dec. 20 statement.
“The Second Amendment is not the cause of border, drug-related violence,” added the GOA, “and as violence increasingly occurs on our side of the border, Second Amendment rights become even more important for self-protection.”
Melson said that the requirement “to report the specified multiple long gun sales” is meant “to identify criminal firearms traffickers, not to prevent the full and free exercise of our Second Amendment rights, or to encumber the [gun dealers] with burdensome paperwork.”
“These reports will give ATF real-time leads for the investigation of gun trafficking,” said Melson. “ATF’s experience in these source states proves that multiple purchases of the described rifles are strong indicators of firearms trafficking to Mexico.”
“By obtaining information about these multiple sales, ATF increases the likelihood of uncovering and disrupting trafficking schemes before the firearms make their way into Mexico,” said Melson.
Nevertheless, the NRA’s chief lobbyist, Chris Cox, told The Washington Post on Dec. 17, "This administration does not have the guts to build a wall [along the border], but they do have the audacity to blame and register gun owners for Mexico's problems.”
According to U.S. and Mexican law enforcement data, “large number of rifles are being used in violent crimes in Mexico and along the border,” said Melson.
He went on to say that U.S. gun dealers are already “required to submit a report of multiple sales to the National Tracing Center” when they sell “two or more handguns to the same purchaser within five consecutive business days.”
However, the NRA noted in a Dec. 17 press release, “The legality of requiring sales reports on any long guns is also in doubt. When the Congress specifically imposed multiple sales reporting on handguns only, it implicitly stated its intention that the same requirement not apply to sales of long guns.”
The Gun Owners of America also pointed out that the ATF’s move to pass the proposal by “regulatory fiat” circumvents Congress’ authority.
The GOA said the new rules “will, for the first time, establish the precedent that licensed firearms dealers will be required (by administrative fiat) to report to the government the sale of two or more semi-automatic rifles.”
New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg’s group, Mayors Against Illegal Guns (MAIG), suggested a similar initiative last year.
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Old 12-22-2010, 04:07 AM   #2
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I completely understand why they are so concerned about the gun sales in the Border States; however is that an infringement on law abiding citizens residing in those states? And is this just a beginning of future gun regulations?

If they are so worried about the Mexican Cartel having automatic weapons to protect their drug traffic, why don’t they just outlaw drugs in the United States, you can see how good we control that too!
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Old 12-22-2010, 04:41 AM   #3
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Here's a newsletter and a link I received a few days ago. Sorry I didn't post it sooner.

Source: http://www.vcdl.org/

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Big Brother wants to put a magnifying glass over anyone who buys more than one semi-automatic rifle in five days!

The BATFE, under the guise of controlling Mexico's crime problems, wants the power to require dealers to report to the government all sales of 2 or more semi-automatic rifles, which are .22 caliber or greater, which have a detachable magazine, and which were purchased by the same person during a span of 5 business days or less.

This adds even more unnecessary paperwork to the long list of what dealers already have to provide, while putting your name on another list.

And if the dealer makes a mistake on any of those forms, then he is in hot water.

Oh, and this is considered an "emergency" issue by the BATFE, so all of a sudden the BATFE wants to hurry along, even though Mexico's crime problems have been around for a long time.

Here is a link to the Gun Owners of America web site with more information on this power grab and a way to take action to help stop this new dealer requirement which is an invasion of your privacy:

http://tinyurl.com/2dl4frl
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For those who haven't had a chance to respond to the previous alert on the BATFE power grab dealing with reporting of multiple sales of semi-automatic rifles, here is another approach you can take instead (thanks to EM Dave Yates):

Let's urge Senators Webb and Warner to make sure that there is a full 90-day comment period for the proposed BATFE emergency regulation, not a mere 3 weeks. There is simply no need to rush into this.

The message below anticipates the Senators saying they can't do that, showing them that they most certainly can do so.

Here are the web-mail address for our Senators:

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Senator Mark Warner: http://warner.senate.gov/public//ind...?p=ContactPage

Select "Second Amendment Rights" for the subject.

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Senator Jim Webb: http://webb.senate.gov/contact.cfm

Select "Crime/law enforcement" for the subject.

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Message to copy/paste to each Senator:

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms & Explosives is attempting to force licensed firearms dealers to report multiple sales of certain long guns (FR Doc. 2010-31755) without allowing the customary public comment period. This regulation was published in the December 17th Federal Register and comments close January 5th, 2011! Not only is the proposed regulation a bad idea, but there are only 3 weeks to receive comments, and that over a major holiday season!

In 2008, Congress intervened and re-opened the comment period for the Department of the Interior’s amended weapons regulation after the first comment period had closed. http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/2008/E8-15614.htm

Please contact the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms & Explosives and notify them that they must either allow the 90 day period for public comment or withdraw the regulation. If they are less than receptive, they can appear before Congress to explain their legal justification.
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Old 12-22-2010, 04:44 AM   #4
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BTW, this is the gun-grabbing agenda here, dressed as something else. Always has been presented as a measure to keep us safer, always will be. Can't allow the serfs to have guns.
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This is in response to the Mexican president's complaint that the guns he finds in the hands of cartel criminals are all originated in the U.S.A.

So, rather than asking the US for assistance in taking back border towns, he asks
the US to stop selling guns to Mexicans....heheheeh...oh boy ....that's a good one.
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Old 12-22-2010, 04:52 PM   #6
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According to the real experts the % of gun from the US that are found in Mexico is around 17. The 90 % number is the % of those that can be traced that came from the US. But even that number is deceiving, it does not take into account the number of weapons from the US that entered Mexico legally ,i.e. those that were sold to the Police ,or the military.Since it is estimated that up to 100,000 military and police personal deserted to join the cartels, of course taking their weapon with them.
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The problem here is not the limit of two guns every five days, it's the foot in the door leading to more and more limitations.
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If they are so worried about the Mexican Cartel having automatic weapons to protect their drug traffic, why don’t they just outlaw drugs in the United States, you can see how good we control that too!


Leagalize drugs and the cartels lose power
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Old 12-23-2010, 02:16 PM   #9
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This is in response to the Mexican president's complaint that the guns he finds in the hands of cartel criminals are all originated in the U.S.A.

So, rather than asking the US for assistance in taking back border towns, he asks
the US to stop selling guns to Mexicans....heheheeh...oh boy ....that's a good one.
We need to tell the Mexican president to tell all Mexicans to stop stealing guns!!.. I'm sure that will go over like a lead balloon..
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Old 12-30-2010, 03:12 AM   #10
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If they are so worried about the Mexican Cartel having automatic weapons to protect their drug traffic, why don’t they just outlaw drugs in the United States, you can see how good we control that too!


Leagalize drugs and the cartels lose power
Bad idea...I know the potheads would LOVE that to happen, but
a drug-saturated populace does not make for a strong and healthy country. To be strong we need all our mental faculties in play, not just the ones that the drugs don't destroy. I know of no person who was ever involved in 'recreational' drug use, who has not been affected by this activity; they are either hard and amoral or they are borderline burnout retards. Legalizing drugs is a fool's gambit. Witness Denmark's 'needle parks' and high rate of drug addiction. It is also the target for all those junkies and potheads that do not enjoy legalized drug use, to travel to ! Yum ! That's what I want, the USA to be the Mecca for all junkies, degenerates and drug-addled morons. Good call !
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