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Old 12-19-2010, 11:34 AM   #1
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Straight Troops Must Shower With Gays, Says DOD Working Group--‘Gay Men Have Learned to Avoid Making Heterosexuals Feel Uncomfortable or Threatened in Situations Such as This’
Saturday, December 18, 2010
By Terence P. Jeffrey
U.S. Marines in Helmand province, southern Afghanistan on Sunday, Oct. 4, 2009. (AP Photo)


A special Defense Department working group appointed by Defense Secretary Robert Gates has recommended that the military should “expressly prohibit” heterosexuals from using separate showers, bathrooms and bunking facilities from homosexuals when the repeal of the law banning homosexuals from the military goes into effect.
The working group has also recommended that commanding officers be left with the authority to exempt individuals from using the same showers, bathrooms and living facilities as homosexuals, but only on a “case-by-case” basis.
The House voted earlier this week and the Senate voted this afternoon to repeal the military ban on homosexuals, which has often been referred to as “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell.”
The working group’s Nov. 30 report—“Report of the Comprehensive Review of the Issues Associated with a Repeal of ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’”--concluded that permitting heterosexuals to use separate showers, bathrooms and bunking facilities from homosexuals of the same gender would “stigmatize” homosexuals and be “reminiscent of ‘separate but equal’ facilities for blacks prior to the 1960s.” The working group was co-chaired by Jeh Charles Johnson, the Defense Department’s general counsel, and U.S. Army Gen. Carter F. Ham.
“In the course of our review we heard from a very large number of Service members about their discomfort with sharing bathroom facilities or living quarters with those they know to be gay or lesbian,” said the report. “Some went so far to suggest that a repeal of Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell may even require separate bathroom and shower facilities for gay men and lesbians. We disagree, and recommend against separate facilities. Though many regard the very discussion of this topic as offensive, given the number of Service members who raised it, we are obliged to address it.”
The working group said that having homosexuals use different bathrooms and living facilities from heterosexuals would not only create a “logistical nightmare” but would be discriminatory.
“The creation of a third and possibly fourth category of bathroom facilities and living quarters, whether at bases or forward deployed areas, would be a logistical nightmare, expensive, and impossible to administer,” said the report.
“And, even if it could be achieved and administered, separate facilities would, in our view, stigmatize gay and lesbian Service members in a manner reminiscent of ‘separate but equal' facilities for blacks prior to the 1960s,” said the report.
“Accordingly,” the report concluded, “we recommend that the Department of Defense expressly prohibit berthing or billeting assignments or the designation of bathroom facilities based on sexual orientation. At the same time, commanders would retain the authority they currently have to alter berthing or billeting assignments or accommodate privacy concerns on an individualized, case-by-case basis, in the interests of morale, good order and discipline, and consistent with performance of mission. It should also be recognized that commanders already have the tools—from counseling, to non-judicial punishment, to UCMJ prosecution—to deal with misbehavior in either living quarters or showers, whether the person who engages in the misconduct is gay or straight.”
The report also said a survey of more than 115,000 active duty service members indicated only 29.4 percent would “take no action” if they were assigned to share an “open bay shower” with a homosexual.
The other 70 percent of service members answered this way when asked what they would do if assigned to an “open bay shower” with someone they believed to be a homosexual: 25.8 percent said they would use the shower at a different time than the homosexual, 17.7 percent said they would talk to a superior to see if they had a different option, 11.1 percent said they would have a discussion with the other person to see how they would handle the situation, 7.9 percent said they did not know how they would handle the situation, 7.0 percent said they would do “something else,” and 1.3 percent said they would talk to a chaplain, mentor or leader about how to deal with it.
The report acknowledged that in focus groups conducted for the working group “a frequent concern expressed by some Service members was personal privacy in settings where they may be partially or fully unclothed in the presence of another Service member they know to be gay or lesbian—for instance, shared showering facilities or locker rooms.”
However, the report concluded that the concerns that heterosexual service members in this regard were based on “stereotypes” about homosexuals and stated that homosexuals have “learned to avoid making heterosexuals feel uncomfortable or threatened in situation [sic] such as this.”
The report argued that heterosexuals and homosexuals shower together “every day” in college and high school gyms and “in professional sports locker rooms” and that it should be no different in the military.
“Here again, we are convinced that separate bathroom facilities would do more harm than good to unit cohesion and would be impracticable to administer and enforce,” said the report. “Concerns about showers and bathrooms are based on a stereotype—that gay men and lesbians will behave in an inappropriate or predatory manner in these situations. As one gay former Service member told us, to fit in, co-exist, and conform to social norms, gay men have learned to avoid making heterosexuals feel uncomfortable or threatened in situation [sic] such as this. The reality is that people of different sexual orientation use shower and bathroom facilities together every day in hundreds of thousands of college dorms, college and high school gyms, professional sports locker rooms, police and fire stations, and athletic clubs.”
The report quoted the adverse sentiments of a number of service members who participated in focus groups where they indicated they did not want to have to shower, use the bathroom or roommate with homosexuals.
“I live in the barracks and I don’t think that it would go over well in that kind of environment,” one service member told a DOD focus group. “I’m concerned about how people would treat that individual.”
“In the privacy side of the thing, they’ll have to make some changes to the current infrastructure, [for example] privacy stalls in the bathrooms,” said another service member.
“I do not have to shower or sleep in a room with men so I do not want to shower or sleep in the same room as a woman who is homosexual,” said a female service member. “I would feel uncomfortable changing and sleeping as I would if it was a man in the room. I should not have to accept this.”
“Tell him if he hits on me I will kick his - - -!” said another service member who participated in a DOD focus group.
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Old 12-19-2010, 12:05 PM   #2
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Iam buying stock in "Soap On A Rope". I got a feeling its going to take off.
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Old 12-19-2010, 12:13 PM   #3
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Iam buying stock in "Soap On A Rope". I got a feeling its going to take off.
So will knee pads.
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Old 12-19-2010, 12:22 PM   #4
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Next it will be co-ed showers and bunks.

Guess the military is going to have to do something about their defining homosexuality as a mental disorder.
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Spent a career in the US Army. There were some guys and girls we thought were gay but they did their jobs and no one really cared. There there were the flaming fags; these guys made it difficult for everyone.

Was stationed at Ft. MacArthur, CA in the mid 60s. Ft. Mac was the 6th Army dumping ground for flaming fags who were a getting kicked out of the Army. At times there were a couple dozen pushy 9ueers in the post.
The end of DADT does not bode well for the US military.

This is the senate vote that did the dirty deed.

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LI...n=2&vote=00281

The following Republicans voted to end DADT:

Brown,Burr, Ensign, Kirk, Murkowski, Pryor, Snowe and Voinovich.

The following Republicans did not vote: Bunning, Hatch and Gregg.

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Old 12-19-2010, 01:53 PM   #6
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what I'm hearing is the military is focusing on men in showers.

When you think about a great military, focusing on men in showers...

Our military leaders are focusing on men in showers. Got absolutely no respect for such people. Got no respect for people who don't feel the same.
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Old 12-19-2010, 02:04 PM   #7
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This spells disaster all the watt around!
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Old 12-19-2010, 04:16 PM   #8
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A special Defense Department working group appointed by Defense Secretary Robert Gates has recommended that the military should “expressly prohibit” heterosexuals from using separate showers, bathrooms and bunking facilities from homosexuals when the repeal of the law banning homosexuals from the military goes into effect.
They may as well just do away with separate showers for all. A homo and a straight of the same sex showering together is absolutely no different than two straights of the opposite sex showering together.

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Maybe they should have though about that before they used the military as an experiment. Discriminate against what? Men pumping each other in the butt isn't a natural act in any way shape or form. The penis and the vagina exists for one reason... to reproduce. Homosexuality by design, if we weren't forced to accept it by the left wing loonies, should all but eliminate itself from the world on its own and we wouldn't have to deal with it.

I really wanted my two kids to join the military as I and most all of my family has served but I am now seriously reconsidering. The military exists maintain peace through superior power and to kill people if need be. Not to serve as political lab rats.
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I wouldn’t worry too much about it lasting very long, remember they outlawed drop side cribs after thirty something deaths, it won’t be long before they stop this too, there will be deaths!

No VC, I don’t want exterminate all gays!
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Spent a career in the US Army. There were some guys and girls we thought were gay but they did their jobs and no one really cared. There there were the flaming fags; these guys made it difficult for everyone.
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Same with the US Coast Guard. There were gays in the USCG too. Nobody really thought anything of it, but then, you just "knew" who was who.

A story of 3 gays who I personally knew:

"G" was just downright disgusting. "G" was my roommate in the barracks on Governors Island, NY City, way back in like 1980-1982 (by the way, USCG barracks (E-4 - E-6) were 2 or 3 men rooms, like a college dorm). He was not effeminate or spoke with a lisp - he was just different. You had to keep your guard up, because he would do off-the-wall things and/or say some really crazy things. At first, you thought he was always joking, but then, you learned (via the grapevine in the barracks) that he is gay and goes to a lot of gay bars and clubs in Greenwich Village. You shrug it off and think, "As long as he doesn't touch me, I don't care what he does". Well, that thought didn't last long and "G" made a move (probably because I didn't go off on him, or move out of the barracks room). I was in the barracks, changing clothes, and was standing there in my underwear by my closet/locker, and "G" decided to make his move. I swear to you all here and now... I remember him sneaking up on me, and I felt a hand on my butt cheek. Seriously alarmed and shocked, I looked over my shoulder and saw him standing here smiling at me. After he made a gay comment (and all in one big blur), I remember breaking free, spinning around, and nailing him right square in the face with a left fist (upper cross punch) that sent him flying backwards. He landed on the floor and was hollering and screaming, as blood was gushing out his nose. I quickly got dressed and ran out of the room at full speed. I ran down to the MAA (Master at Arms) office and complained and explained the whole story. They sent the MPs and medics to the barracks room to take care of him. They moved me out of the room a few hours later, and launched an investigation. Since there were no witnesses, he couldn't get charged with homosexual conduct, and I couldn't get charged with assault and battery. But if you ask anyone who was there that evening... I mean, come on... everyone knew what happened...

"K" was the ultimate flamer. I mean, even somebody's house cat would even know he was gay, you know? "K" was a good worker and did his job. Outside of the USCG, he wore tight clothes, fluffy little shirts like a woman would wear. He spoke with an effeminate lisp like Liberace used to. He never hit on anyone, but, you almost felt sorry for "K", because you just knew that somewhere, sometime, he will get his a$$ kicked big time.

"D" was the total opposite of "K". "D" was an awesome Coastie and was well liked by everybody. You know the type... Highly regarded, well respected, medals & ribbons all over his uniform, etc... He was a really cool guy and was 100% straight acting in both appearance and personality. Nobody anywhere would have ever suspected. Only a very very select few of us (in strict confidence as well as in friendship/respect) knew the truth. Honest: after a lot of thought and soul searching, I let it go and learned to accept who he was. He was still a good friend of mine, but just did stuff that I didn't care for (kind of like you hang out with a good friend and hate smoking, and your good friend smokes cigarettes like a chimney). I haven't seen "D" in years, but I know that he also retired from the USCG after a full career too.

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