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Old 12-13-2010, 12:40 PM   #1
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Default Black & green santas & the pc police

Or is the polticaly incorrect/ Pi police sometimes?



I met black pete once( maybe more then once, dont remember)
Back in the 50,s In holland & or germany( maybe both- we lived in both places. We use to have some picts of us & black pete( my orginal family)- and some wooden shoes( me & my sis).And some china with swastkas on them( the bottom lablels- nice china tho long gone now)

I hear in germany they dont like to talk of hitler much nowaday & black pete there( and elsewhere).

I can see why the dutch would be a lil sensitive( for a few reasons) ( some claiming they are racists because of it,the dutchman who critized some muslims & was murdered in the streets over that etc could be on there minds to))


Black pete sounds sorta like barny fife in someways( but from spain?)- & with a stick.

To bad the greenies/treehuggers are using santa for climate change brainwashing of the kinderkids imo.(some adults to i guess)

If he brings ya coal kiddies remember you can heat your house, cook with it etc with it & it does come in various colors- black, shades of brown etc( brown being less desirable & less rock & mineral like( less btus) - more like peat some is, softer etc( a few diff kinds of coal out there)- but ya could make a snowman etc out of either to( unless someone objects?)

( next santa will be forced on a diet ( in jail?) for exploting raindeers?( someone should mention polarbears can eat you- the elf below looks a lil worried)
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Holland's Politically Incorrect Christmas

Santa's Little (Slave) Helper

By Daryl Lindsey
Few European Christmas traditions elicit as many diverse and divergent opinions as Black Pete of the Netherlands. Santa's former slave may have been whitewashed in recent years, but many still view him as a racist caricature from the country's colonial past.

Myths about Santa's sinister helpers are as widespread in Europe as Grimm's Fairy Tales. In parts of Germany, Knecht Ruprecht brings terror into the hearts of naughty children when the gift-giving season arrives. In Austria it's Krampus, the horned devil who torments adolescents with asocial tendencies. In France, Pere Foutard does the proverbial whipping. Kids in America are threatened with coal in their stockings if they act up, but in European folklore, they are beaten with switches or stuffed in sacks. Brutal stuff. But in no country is the tale of Santa's diabolical sidekick as bizarre as in the Netherlands, home to Zwarte Piet ("Black Pete").

The story of Black Pete is unique on the continent and it is also one of Europe's oddest and most titilating Christmas traditions -- one that tends to raise the eyebrows of foreign visitors and local immigrants. No small number of people see the yuletide character as a racist emblem of Holland's colonial past.
Before trawling that debate, though, let's take a brief look at the myth that has defined the country's Holiday Season for the better part of a century and a half.

Many say it was Holland's Sinterklaas who inspired America's modern-day Santa. But that's where the similiarities end. Unlike Santa, who lives at the North Pole, Sinterklaas resides in sunny Spain. The Saint Nicolas figure that both are based on was actually a real Greek bishop who hailed from the city of Mira in what is modern-day Turkey. The Dutch version, however, is much more faithful to the original. With his gold crosier, red bishop's dress and red mitre, he's far more ecclesiastical looking than his portly American counterpart. And whereas Santa Claus is famous for circumnavigating the globe with a sleigh and his reindeer, Sinterklaas arrives in the Netherlands each year by, get this, steamship.
Steamship?

At the time of the invention of Holland's modern Christmas myth by a Dutch schoolteacher in 1852, explains playright Mark Walraven, who recently wrote and staged a play critical of Black Pete, steamships were simply awe-inspiring. They must have been something akin to the Concorde or Richard Branson's Virgin Galactic spaceships.
Perpetually in tow is Sinterklaas' slave, Black Pete. At least that's what he was called from his 19th century origins up until the 1950s, when a new focus on cultural sensitivity led to a slight watering down of a tradition that was slowly subjected to the rigors of political correctness. In the new tale told to children each year, that pesky black face paint on Zwarte Piet's face comes from soot collected as Santa's helper wriggles down chimneys to deposit branches in the shoes of badly behaving kids or to help deliver presents from Sinterklaas for the good ones. Some whitewashers of this racist little tale also like to say he's a chimney sweep. "It's just an excuse used by people because they don't like to be reminded of the dark nature of Black Pete," says Walraven.

The arrival of Sinterklaas and Zwarte Piet is an event covered live on national television and the festivities are celebrated across the country. For several weeks, dozens of Zwarte Pieten and Sinterklaases can be seen crisscrossing the lowlands country, culminating on Dec. 5 with the exchange of gifts. Throughout the celebrations, you can buy Black Pete cakes, plush toys, balloons, chocolates and any number of knickknacks.
'If You Don't Behave, Black Pete Will Get You'
In the old days, parents would warn their children: "If you don't behave, Black Pete will come and take you with him back to Spain." Today, though, Black Pete -- and there are often a handful of them accompanying Sinterklaas as he makes his way around Dutch towns -- hands out cookies.
The new incarnation of Black Pete may be a chimney sweep and "Sinterklaas' helper," but efforts to make him less offensive haven't been totally successful. The thousands who dress each year as Black Petes still resemble players in a 19th century American minstrel show or a British Golliwogg. And in recent years, that has angered many in the Netherlands' black immigrant community, which stems largely from former colonies like Surinam in South America, the Antilles in the Caribbean or Africa.
Forty-six-year-old playwrite Walraven, whose drama "In the Shadow of the Saint" about the debate over Black Pete recently played at Amsterdam's Krater Theater, says he used to be one of the many white men in Holland who would paint their faces black each year to the delight of children. "I stopped after I began working with black people," he says. "Many people are offended by this symbol. In songs written before World War II, he was often called Sinterklaas's slave, and the texts of many songs and lyrics about him, especially from the 19th century, make it very clear that he was a racist symbol. In the end, Black Pete always comes across as a little stupid, clumsy and one who talks strangely and doesn't speak proper Dutch."
But in a country where Sinterklaas and Black Pete is a favorite tradition, talk like that can quickly spark a wildfire of anger. Though an increasing number of groups are speaking out against Black Pete, most Dutch don't see anything racist in the character and instead fear that critics are waging an all-out war on Christmas itself. An anti-Black Pete protest planned in the city of Eindhoven in September was cancelled after its organizers received death threats.
"The majority here in Holland refuse to talk about Black Pete," says playwright Walraven. "They are afraid that the people who discuss it want to take away Sinterklaas as a phenomenon."
One of messages of his play, which received a warm reception in the immigrant-filled neighborhood where it premiered, is that you can still have Sinterklaas without Black Pete. "Many countries have abolished these kinds of things, but in Holland they still exist," Walraven explains. "Nevertheless, most Dutch don't consider themselves to be racist and feel they are being personally attacked when you criticize Black Pete."
What would Walraven do with Black Pete? "I'd just get rid of him," he says. "You must admit that his origin is racist and that many people feel offended and hurt by it. It would be better to find another solution."
In the Dutch-speaking Belgian region of Flanders, at least one city has already altered its tradition, switching roles to make Sinterklaas a black man and Pete his white helper.
Felix De Rooy, the director who helped stage Walraven's plan in Amsterdam, has another idea. He recently suggested to the Dutch daily NRC Handelsblad that Black Pete could be replaced by far less decisive figures of almost equal popularity in Holland and Belgium: The Smurfs.


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http://www.spiegel.de/international/...594674,00.html
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North Pole Newsflash: Santa's Workshop Beset By Leaks, Realizes Global Warming to Blame

by Kenny Luna, North Babylon, NY on 11.28.07

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It seems there's a great little book out for the holidays titled "When Santa Turned Green" by Victoria Perla that tackles global warming for kids in a fun way. Santa, beset by a leak in the roof of his North Pole factory steps outside to give it a look and comes to the realization that it's connected to a far bigger problem, global warming.
Now I haven't had a chance to read it through yet myself, but there's not a lot of time left before the holiday and the 3 reader reviews on F.A.O. Schwarz website raved about it. Apparently, Santa is determined to turn things around and sets about doing just that by helping kids see everyday actions they can take to make a difference.
I bet it could make a wonderful gift for kids from 5-11yrs, and it's priced at $15.95.

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Eco-Children’s Book an Overnight Sensation as Santa Goes Green

by Kenny Luna, North Babylon, NY on 12.18.08

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When a children’s author can sell 13,000 copies in just a month without the support of mass-market booksellers there’s reason to believe this one just may be a hit with your kids. And with Christmas just around the corner and a price tag of $15.95 there’s no doubt the price is right as an eco-themed stocking stuffer to round out your list.
But what’s this suddenly hot selling children’s book about?

Well, it’s about a small boy named Finn who writes Santa and asks him to help raise awareness of global warming. Finn’s drawn to the issue because he has, somehow adopted a polar bear, and he realizes that polar bears in general are losing habitat to global warming.
Essentially, our hero Finn tells Santa he doesn’t need any toys for Christmas, but instead wants our big red friend’s help in spreading the word about what can be done to solve the problem.

http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008...-smash-hit.php
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Old 12-13-2010, 01:09 PM   #2
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I heard santa lives on a oil rig platform at the north pole ,owns a helo, leerjet, very large hydrofoilboat & hunts seals, deer, moose, bears, (including polar) whales, walurs etc( sometimes going way south for a few penguins( veggis etc)
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I really don't care what color Santa is, so long as Jesus remains Jewish is fine with me.
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A team of flying reindeer has almost as big a carbon footprint as algore's personal jet...but they only get out once a year...
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Santa can be any color he likes its fine by me to( i think he is no one color- if thats claimed( could be important to some ppl i guess) green mainly is a poltical( money making scam) ,social agenda( being used to take ppls moneys control there lifes) & ppl who think it will somehow save the planet from melting, sky from falling etc etc.
( they feel they must stop ppl who dont believe the same things
( cult like)

( i have always belived in saving my money & using resources wisely for many many yrs now, long before it became a fad, the inthing to do - its not a new invention or concept by far) I believe in using all energy sources& resources.

As our first black president prepares to take office, it seems like the timing is appropriate to celebrate our first black Santa, or at least the only one I’m aware of to be memorialized in song. This barrier was broken in 1973 (I think) with this novelty number, which is sort of an Afrocentric take on “I Saw Mommy Kissing Santa Claus.”
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( i dont think most( if any) songs mention santas color( maybe his rosy cheeks?)
Granted black peter is his helper/ right hand man i think ( i anyways precived him as another santa- the enforcer- one with the switch/buttstick )

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Hard to believe some of these green ies are highly educated adults using santa for his naughty, nice lists -santa powers - as a green leverage tool & greenpolicy maker ( carrot & stick) ( bobo obama prob uses him all the time)

( maybe he can tell them how his sled flys & where he gets the raw materals for all the presents etc & how many miles per magic raindeer he gets ( if only he was real
But sure i believe santas workin for bobo , algor, clintoon & friends & elfs(earth liberation front)( alfs animal liberation front, & a flock of other fruits & nuts. & here i thoght i wondered strange things.

Chris Mooney is a visiting associate in the Center for Collaborative History at Princeton University and the author of three books, The Republican War on Science, Storm World, and Unscientific America.

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Santa Claus Makes Green Decisions (Just in Time for Christmas)


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Posted on: December 7, 2007 1:43 PM, by Sheril R. Kirshenbaum
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If Santa Claus came out with a "naughty or nice" list based on how well people treated the environment, who will be on the "nice" list? Who will be on the "naughty"? Have you ever wondered?

You can count on Al Gore and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change to be up there on the "nice" list this year. As the Nobel Foundation puts it, IPCC and Gore both did a phenomenal job regarding "their efforts to build up and disseminate greater knowledge about man-made climate change."

Perhaps Bill Clinton will see his name on the "nice" list as well, for his eco-friendly presidential library and his plan with Wal-Mart to bring down prices for green supplies. Expect Canada to receive gifts from the oh-so-jolly Santa Claus; the country aims to protect an area as big as eleven Yellowstones from oil and resource exploration!
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