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Old 12-09-2010, 07:58 AM   #1
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The wikileaks director is jailed and his cronies shut down Paypal and Visa temporarily.

A new type of economic terrorism is born.
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Old 12-09-2010, 08:07 AM   #2
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I have been following this and it is pretty scary.
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Old 12-09-2010, 08:16 AM   #3
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IMO this would be the ideal time to makes examples of traitors and enemies of the U.S., but I doubt it will happen. They should have made examples after the first two times, and maybe this last one could have been avoided.

I wonder if this is the "attack" that biden referanced early on?

I think that bho is (correctly) observed as weak by the rest of the world, and the country will pay for that.
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Old 12-09-2010, 09:35 AM   #4
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but thank gawd Wesley Snipes is going to prison for 3 years after paying his back taxes
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Old 12-09-2010, 09:56 AM   #5
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http://www.campaignforliberty.com/article.php?view=1231

We may never know the whole story behind the recent publication of sensitive U.S. government documents by the Wikileaks organization, but we certainly can draw some important conclusions from the reaction of so many in government and media.

At its core, the Wikileaks controversy serves as a diversion from the real issue of what our foreign policy should be. But the mainstream media, along with neoconservatives from both political parties, insist on asking the wrong question. When presented with embarrassing disclosures about U.S. spying and meddling, the policy that requires so much spying and meddling is not questioned. Instead, the media focus on how so much sensitive information could have been leaked, or how authorities might prosecute the publishers of such information.

No one questions the status quo or suggests a wholesale rethinking of our foreign policy. No one suggests that the White House or the State Department should be embarrassed that the U.S. engages in spying and meddling. The only embarrassment is that it was made public. This allows ordinary people to actually know and talk about what the government does. But state secrecy is anathema to a free society. Why exactly should Americans be prevented from knowing what their government is doing in their name?

In a free society, we are supposed to know the truth. In a society where truth becomes treason, however, we are in big trouble. The truth is that our foreign spying, meddling, and outright military intervention in the post-World War II era has made us less secure, not more. And we have lost countless lives and spent trillions of dollars for our trouble. Too often "official" government lies have provided justification for endless, illegal wars and hundreds of thousands of resulting deaths and casualties.

Take the recent hostilities in Korea as only one example. More than fifty years after the end of the Korean War, American taxpayers continue to spend billions for the U.S. military to defend a modern and wealthy South Korea. The continued presence of the U.S. military places American lives between the two factions. The U.S. presence only serves to prolong the conflict, further drain our empty treasury, and place our military at risk.

The neoconservative ethos, steeped in the teaching of Leo Strauss, cannot abide an America where individuals simply pursue their own happy, peaceful, prosperous lives. It cannot abide an America where society centers around family, religion, or civic and social institutions rather than an all powerful central state. There is always an enemy to slay, whether communist or terrorist. In the neoconservative vision, a constant state of alarm must be fostered among the people to keep them focused on something greater than themselves-- namely their great protector, the state. This is why the neoconservative reaction to the Wikileaks revelations is so predictable: "See, we told you the world was a dangerous place," goes the story. They claim we must prosecute -- or even assassinate == those responsible for publishing the leaks. And we must redouble our efforts to police the world by spying and meddling better, with no more leaks.

We should view the Wikileaks controversy in the larger context of American foreign policy. Rather than worry about the disclosure of embarrassing secrets, we should focus on our delusional foreign policy. We are kidding ourselves when we believe spying, intrigue, and outright military intervention can maintain our international status as a superpower while our domestic economy crumbles in an orgy of debt and monetary debasement.
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Old 12-09-2010, 10:45 AM   #6
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I guess in the "old days" Assange would have just gone away. Come up missing. Asleep with the fishes. Part of the footings for a new stadium. So he gets jailed for messing with some tini bopper and gets a PC ride for leaking information detrimental to the free world. Now his loyal followers are messing with the internet and exacting revenge. Round them all up and build a giant jail with the guards coming from all the soldiers who are returning from the Middle East fiasco. Talk about really fighting terrorism. The people who hate us don’t have to crash planes, bomb buildings or other overt acts of terrorism. All they have to do is bring us down through the internet. Mess with the stock exchange, hack into the military and leak secrets, disrupt medical records…the paths are endless.
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Old 12-09-2010, 10:53 AM   #7
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I guess in the "old days" Assange would have just gone away. Come up missing. Asleep with the fishes. Part of the footings for a new stadium. So he gets jailed for messing with some tini bopper and gets a PC ride for leaking information detrimental to the free world. Now his loyal followers are messing with the internet and exacting revenge. Round them all up and build a giant jail with the guards coming from all the soldiers who are returning from the Middle East fiasco. Talk about really fighting terrorism. The people who hate us don’t have to crash planes, bomb buildings or other overt acts of terrorism. All they have to do is bring us down through the internet. Mess with the stock exchange, hack into the military and leak secrets, disrupt medical records…the paths are endless.
Yeah, and all we need is a single, all-powerful government to keep everything locked down and under control...to keep us "safe."
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Old 12-09-2010, 02:17 PM   #8
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7.62Nato posted this within the article....
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No one suggests that the White House or the State Department should be embarrassed that the U.S. engages in spying and meddling. The only embarrassment is that it was made public. This allows ordinary people to actually know and talk about what the government does. But state secrecy is anathema to a free society. Why exactly should Americans be prevented from knowing what their government is doing in their name?
No one suggests that the White House or the State Department should be embarrassed because they should not.

All nations with the capacity to do so engage in spying and meddling and they always have...since the beginning of time.

There are truly "need to know" issues which are inherent in the process of protecting this nation or any nation for that matter. Joe Blow can elect leaders. He is not necessarily capable of properly digesting information of a sensitive nature, especially when it is doled out in pieces and out of context. Note, sir, I did NOT say he is too stupid, I said he is not necessarily capable. If he is educated in let's say electronics, he may not be savvy in the interpersonal relationships and customs between nations. Thus, he has no need to know, nor should he.

This wikileaks mess endangers this nation.

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In a free society, we are supposed to know the truth.
High minded tripe, sir. Please tell me you seriously think that for example, all Americans need to know about every step of every military operation that takes place, including the clandestine operations of our special forces.

I'll stop now and give you a chance to explain how you personally feel about what you posted. I cannot believe that you buy into this purely philosophical nonsense that every American has a right to know everything we do in the name of national security...which is the father of foreign policy.
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Old 12-09-2010, 03:22 PM   #9
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So far, I haven't heard anything unknown being leaked out. Then again, I'm not paying that much attention to it. It is terrorism and should be treated as such. Gitmo sounds like a great place for these folks.

On a side note, did you here PFC Manning was honored today or yesterday in Berkley? He needs to be tried and face a firing squad at dawn for treason. Furthermore, we are at war right now and this process is allowed to be fast tracked during a time of war.
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Old 12-09-2010, 03:39 PM   #10
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So far, I haven't heard anything unknown being leaked out.
Your out of touch then, brother. There were a LOT of secrets revealed, including the clandestine call for our nuking IRAN by Saudi Arabian leaders. That is serious stuff with the potential for serious fallout.

Our intelligence theater was permanently discredited. It will make knowing what is going on in the future much more difficult, if not impossible.

As to the shutdowns...I'm of the opinion that they probably had previously installed the electronic moles inside VISA and Paypal and had only to activate them to shut them down.

Where are they also already installed and waiting? Who is behind this and who is backing them?
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