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Old 12-01-2010, 09:05 AM   #1
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Default Can an individual commit an act of war?

Acts of war are typically performed by one state against another. However can an individual commit an act of war against a state? And if so, would not the "Wikileaks" constitute such an act of war by an individual?

I think this goes back to the discussion of how to categorize terrorist acts; acts of war by individuals or criminal acts.

The answer would determine how we respond.
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Old 12-01-2010, 09:53 AM   #2
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Old 12-01-2010, 10:12 AM   #3
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Measure intent against effect. If the leak involves secret information then that act would be something more than criminal. Treason is a term that comes to mind. Wikileaks action was meant to negatively impact our country which in my mind makes it a terrorist crime. The guy needs to wake up dead 007 style.
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Wonder how the old Soviet Union would have dealt with Mr. Assange.
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Good thing he didn't insult Israel. Magnetic bomb on his car door or a skunk in his well.
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Old 12-01-2010, 05:32 PM   #6
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Give me a break. Its called freedom of the press.

The same intelligence agencies who failed to prevent 911, vociferously stated without doubt that there were WMD in Iraq are now giving access to state secrets to lowly privates. Jesus they put these secrets on computers with DVD r/w drives and usb ports. They were literally asking for somebody to take them. Couldn't a chimp do better than that? Really? We have better security than that at my work for cripes sake!

These incompetent buffoons in our intelligence agencies should be removed. I have no idea why neither party is calling for a cleaning house. How many times are the morons allowed to screw up anyways? Nobody ever wants to go after the root cause when it is as obvious as the nose on your face. Bush did nothing, I fully expect Obama to do nothing. I have set my expectations so low that it is impossible for a politician to disappoint me.
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Old 12-01-2010, 08:08 PM   #7
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The real question is, "are your health records safe?". The Obama Administration went full speed ahead to digitize your health records. FYI, not under the healthcare debacle, but the big stimulus bill he passed when he came into office. If they can't secure national secrets, how sure are you that your healthcare records will be secure?

The answer is, you just got screwed!
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Old 12-02-2010, 03:51 PM   #8
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Give me a break. Its called freedom of the press.
Just a suggestion, but you might want to check into how the SCOTUS views that assertion.

First, I'm no attorney.

Because Julian Assange owes no allegiance to the United States as a citizen, would suggest it unlikely that the United States would have any jurisdiction to charge him for treason, sedition, or subversion under Title 18 USC.

On the other hand, accomplices who are U.S. citizens could be charged, but based on the definititions and what might be winnable in court, my suggestion would be a charge of subversion.

I highly doubt that the errant PFC so implicated here would have had the understanding of the hierarchies and intricacies necessary to collect so much diplomatic information across the SIPR from the military's network, given only modest military training and considering his youth. Not only would he have had to have been a genius intelligence analyst, he'd have had to have been an accomplished hacker. He had help - or he's been set up to take the fall for the person or group who really did the work. He more likely that not provided only the window, and someone else (Wiki?) did the actual mining.

While Mr. Assange himself may find himself immune from U.S. law, he's made enemies across the world now. He is - truly - the man without a country. Probably not the best predicament to be in....

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Old 12-03-2010, 02:31 PM   #9
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no they cannot "commit an act of war". Has an individual every had an ***act*** of war declared against them?
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Old 12-03-2010, 02:36 PM   #10
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Give me a break. Its called freedom of the press.
No it isn't, that would be the press being free from persecution for reporting on what this guy is doing.

No one is free to give the location of our troops to an enemy. This is like that.

None of this is news to me, but maybe people will come around and start thinking, just maybe the government isn't the vehicle of hope and change, just the same old same old.
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