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Old 08-27-2010, 09:08 AM   #11
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If it's coming in with actual numbers that are half of the original projections, doesn't that change the analysis you've cited by quite a bit?
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Old 08-27-2010, 11:42 AM   #12
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DOW is up 152 points at 3:43 pm eastern.

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Old 08-27-2010, 12:20 PM   #13
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IPCS,

Take a look at this site.

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

The site I gave you is non-biased. It has the latest.

It gives the unfunded SS liability at 14 trillion, the unfunded prescription drug liability at 19 trillion and the unfunded medicare liability at 76 trillion. I have never heard of anybody overestimating government costs in long term, they tend to greatly greatly underestimate them.

You need to accept the fact that Bush and his Republican controlled congress screwed us real hard when they signed that prescription drug benefit into law. Nothing Clinton passed was nearly as bad as that. Bush Srs worst messup was forcing us to use Ethanol but that was small potatoes compared to Jrs socialistic moves. It was the signing of that law that forever severed me from the Republican party. I realized at that point the only difference between the parties were on social issues. Neither party has the least bit of interest in running a fiscally responsible government.

I don't consider Republican opposition to Obama's propositions as anything other than partisanship. It could be quite possible that our only means of relief is through partisanshipwhich keeps the Executive and Legislative branches opposed to each other. That is best accomplished by a Republican congress and a Democratic president. I consider Clinton's presidency as one of the better ones in my lifetime. The Republicans stymied most of his harmful iniatives and there was bitter partisanship throughout.

The damage that Clinton, Bush Sr, Bush Jr and Obama have incurred on America due to the export of high paying manufacturing and engineering has to be shared equally amongst them because their policy has been identical in that regard (in lockstep with Congress). This is something that is reversible.
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The DOW closed ^ 164.84.


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Old 08-27-2010, 01:42 PM   #15
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All the people who believed the opening post of this thread predicting a 200 point drop and sold short are probably in pain right now.

This is exactly why I have not bought or sold stocks in ten years when I realized that playing the market was nothing more than gambling and you are betting against the house. Furthermore, I think the situation has gotten even worse in the last ten years with big financial firms manipulating the market to their own advantage and the disadvantage of ordinary investors. In fact I do not think I should even be calling people in the market today investors, they are gamblers and like most people who gamble are going to end up losing money.
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Thats one post Ill agree with you on LeMaitre. The market continues to defy logic and common sense...
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Old 08-28-2010, 02:51 AM   #17
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It gives the unfunded SS liability at 14 trillion, the unfunded prescription drug liability at 19 trillion and the unfunded medicare liability at 76 trillion. I have never heard of anybody overestimating government costs in long term, they tend to greatly greatly underestimate them.
Weren't you worried at one time of the 800 billion we borrowed from china? Seems like chump change don't it?
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You need to accept the fact that Bush and his Republican controlled congress screwed us real hard when they signed that prescription drug benefit into law.
You're right. Just because your old doesn't me you get free drugs. For that matter an SS check and free medical care. However, for one, the Dems wanted the program to be twice as big. Thet got it now with Obama closing the so called donut hole. Second, Bush was the first to actually bring a government program in under budget because they used market forces.
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Nothing Clinton passed was nearly as bad as that.
Where have you been lately? Clinton was one of the main players in bringing us the Housing crisis that has now cost us trillions.
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That is best accomplished by a Republican congress and a Democratic president.
No, that's not required. What is is the repeal of the 17th amendment. Senators need to be appointed by the state leglistatures. Not elected by the people. They aren't in DC to represent us. They are there to only represent the interest of the states. Read the Federalist papers. Madison warned about having both houses elected by the same method over 200 years ago.

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The damage that Clinton, Bush Sr, Bush Jr and Obama have incurred on America due to the export of high paying manufacturing and engineering has to be shared equally amongst them because their policy has been identical in that regard (in lockstep with Congress). This is something that is reversible.
You have no idea what your talking about. Engineering has gone global because the market place has gone global. You now have 24 hour R&D going on. Our country can't supply the needed engineers for the market place because our public schools are failing our kids. My company currently has 50 engineering positions open today they can't fill and they are offering us employees 5k to 10k in referal fees. You would think in today's economy I could find an engineer to refer and collect that money. Second, we only recently lost the top spot as the worlds manufacture. There are several factors in this. One, we aren't growing in our economy and have policies in place, SS, Medicare and regulations that will keep it status quo. China and India are going to be the hot spots of growth. Why build something here only to ship it over there? It would have to be something very high tech except they are turning out way more engineers than we are today. Second, outsourcing isn't the reason for job lost in manufacturing. It's automation. It's automation that allows workers to be more productive and therefore earn higher wages. Should we outlaw robots? Since the 50's, jobs in manufacturing has been going down while output has been increasing. Think about it. Manufacturing has been increasing since that time at 4% per decade, not shrinking. So you want to end the imports don't you? Tell me how increasing the cost of items on the shelf is going to help you?
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Old 08-28-2010, 03:03 AM   #18
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All the people who believed the opening post of this thread predicting a 200 point drop and sold short are probably in pain right now.

This is exactly why I have not bought or sold stocks in ten years when I realized that playing the market was nothing more than gambling and you are betting against the house. Furthermore, I think the situation has gotten even worse in the last ten years with big financial firms manipulating the market to their own advantage and the disadvantage of ordinary investors. In fact I do not think I should even be calling people in the market today investors, they are gamblers and like most people who gamble are going to end up losing money.
Actually, who is the one doing the manipulation? The reason the stock market went up was that this number came in better than what was expected. I posted this over a week ago that it would take a hit. What was being leaked by the government was it would be revised to 1.4 not 1.6. The market already took that drop into account. The fact it went up is due to the number being better. However, the 1.6 number will be revised again at least one more time and will go to 1.4. I think you're looking at politics influencing this number.

Second, the market place isn't hard to make money in. It's actually not as much gambeling if you have/spend the time researching it. There are several rags that can help you. You just have to spend the time. You also have the tools to put in place to keep from loosing too much money should you make a bad guess. My dad has been making a killing in the market place. He's retired though and can spend the time it takes.
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