Fact is, you CANNOT defend yourself if you are white, against a bunch of black guys if you pull a gun and shoot or kill them. There's always some 'uppity' type who will say they was just some kids playin' around and they did'n mean no harm. Look what happened to Bernhard Goetz...there was such a furor that a white guy shot 4 black muggers on a NYC subway train, they HAD to prosecute him for SOMETHING. He chose to arm himself illegally so they crucified him for it. However, if a transit cop had found him dead with a screwdriver stuck in his neck and caught the 4 black mutants, they'd have been charged with anything OTHER than a hate crime.
Many years ago, I took a cab in NYC. The driver was a Russian immigrant (his accent was thick as it can get). This was during the time when black guys were hailing cabs in Manhattan and telling them to take 'em up into Harlem..then from the back seat, they'd shoot the driver in the back of the head and take his cash box. On the front seat of 'Ivan's' cab, I see an old .45 auto next to his clip board. I say "Hey fella...y'know they put guys in jail in this city for guns like that". He looks back at me
and says in THICK russian accent: "Better I go jail wun yeer then forever ded !".
Smart boy.
When I was in first grade, my best friend was a black kid named Tony. We used to beat up white kids together. And put on our backpacks and play Ghostbusters.
When I was in first grade, my best friend was a black kid named Tony. We used to beat up white kids together. And put on our backpacks and play Ghostbusters.
As first graders, I'm sure you did not stab anybody, or break facial bones or orbital bones above the eyes...no skull fractures...not even broken knuckles. It's the kind of 'adventure' the 1st graders engage in because they think it might be fun...but when you get a mob of people who are 90% their adult size, weight and strength, it's a life-threatening situation. I pity the fool who, once attacked, pulls out a Hi-Power and shoots 8 or 9 of em to save his own skin.....
As first graders, I'm sure you did not stab anybody, or break facial bones or orbital bones above the eyes...no skull fractures...not even broken knuckles. It's the kind of 'adventure' the 1st graders engage in because they think it might be fun...but when you get a mob of people who are 90% their adult size, weight and strength, it's a life-threatening situation. I pity the fool who, once attacked, pulls out a Hi-Power and shoots 8 or 9 of em to save his own skin.....
LOL, I did get in a lot of trouble once for smashing a kid in the face with a Tonka truck he tried taking from me. I grew up around Baltimore, full of trash of all colors and creeds, and old war heroes who liked to drink beer and tell me about the ***anese they encountered back in the day, so this kind of stuff is old news to me. If you happen to stumble into a mass beating, obviously you weren't paying close attention to your surroundings. I suppose perspectives are bound to be different in the Midwest.
But on a serious note, though, I could probably write that I trained my pet aardvark to hunt communist Chinese when I was a kid and you'd still have a energetic answer for me.
You and I both know that a Hi-Power alone would keep you in jal for a while regardless of what you actually did with it. I happen to like those collapsible metal batons. Discreet and very good at getting people's attention. Save the gun for others with guns...
LOL, I did get in a lot of trouble once for smashing a kid in the face with a Tonka truck he tried taking from me. I grew up around Baltimore, full of trash of all colors and creeds, and old war heroes who liked to drink beer and tell me about the ***anese they encountered back in the day, so this kind of stuff is old news to me. If you happen to stumble into a mass beating, obviously you weren't paying close attention to your surroundings. I suppose perspectives are bound to be different in the Midwest. There is nothing different here in our 'formative years'...kids do what kids do. This is the process of learning what's acceptable...whats NOT acceptable...what's TOLERABLE...and what we should NEVER EVER do. Perspectives might be different between a kid growing up in BAltimore and New York but I don't believe the 'big city' experience to be significantly different from city to city.
But on a serious note, though, I could probably write that I trained my pet aardvark to hunt communist Chinese when I was a kid and you'd still have a energetic answer for me.
Other than being curious about where you got the aardvark, I'd have no problem....especially if he sniffs out commies...
You and I both know that a Hi-Power alone would keep you in jal for a while regardless of what you actually did with it. I happen to like those collapsible metal batons. Discreet and very good at getting people's attention. Save the gun for others with guns...
We differ here...the incident i was referring to was the Central Park "Wilding" Case...where a band of dozens of teenagers ran down and bushwacked an unarmed jogger, beating her nearly to death and taking turns raping her in the process. It was a heinous crime, especially since many of those 'kids' were well-regarded high school students who were excellent students with bright futures. The reference I made, was that if the 'jogger' had been a female NYC police officer who had pulled her Glock in self-defense (17 shots ? 19 ? Dunno the issue weapon back then...), there's no question a legitimate self-defense issue was in play here. I am a firm proponent of self defense, and have a pretty good understanding what constitutes and what would require, a lethal response. This qualifies on so many levels. Leave the gun home ? Well, the same effect happened here and this jogger, a concert pianist, is permanently disabled and a shadow of her former self. In NYC, those collapsible metal batons used by kubotan artists carrythe same penalty as nunchucks whichcarrythe same penalty as that high-power, believe it or not. And those animals who decided that 'wilding' was acceptable deserved no less than perfectly mushrooming hollowpoints tearing thru their chests.
These were not children at play, and they did not intend to leave the woman alive...THAT was an accident, or a testament to her will to live...but it was unintended. It would have beeen better if she had the ability to kill her attackers.
When it comes to hate crime laws being used aginst criminals -Dont know why this case would be any diffent then cases like the reggie denny case or the train shooter who killed 6 & wounded 19.
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I agree that a law such as a hate crime law should apply equally to all races and also be prosecuted equally. having said that, I think having a hate crime law is pretty ridiculous and is more of a social statement than a useful criminal law. If you kill, injure, attack, assault, etc. somebody just because of their race, religion, nationality or some other means of separating into a group, it's a pretty hateful, demeaning and stupid reason to commit that crime. If the regular sentence for committing such a crime without the hate crime enhancement isn't sufficient, then the regular sentence needs to be increased in the legislature. Saying one crime is worse because the participants are from different races, groups etc. than a the same crime involving the same race, group, etc. is denigrating, stupid and it only serves to prolong the separation of groups instead of removing it. Nobody should be more important as a victim than another simply because of their race, religion, group, etc.
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I agree that a law such as a hate crime law should apply equally to all races and also be prosecuted equally. having said that, I think having a hate crime law is pretty ridiculous and is more of a social statement than a useful criminal law. If you kill, injure, attack, assault, etc. somebody just because of their race, religion, nationality or some other means of separating into a group, it's a pretty hateful, demeaning and stupid reason to commit that crime. If the regular sentence for committing such a crime without the hate crime enhancement isn't sufficient, then the regular sentence needs to be increased in the legislature. Saying one crime is worse because the participants are from different races, groups etc. than a the same crime involving the same race, group, etc. is denigrating, stupid and it only serves to prolong the separation of groups instead of removing it. Nobody should be more important as a victim than another simply because of their race, religion, group, etc.
Good point, Cal...It has long been my position that CITIZEN INJURES CITIZEN = JAIL Period. Hate crime legislation is divisive, racist, and it is not applied even-handedly. It is no wonder that it's a product of the left's sense of justice and fair-play. Pukes.
A little big for concealed carry though...
