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Old 08-20-2010, 08:03 AM   #1
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Here is a story that really ticks me off.

http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/m...ory?id=5479232

Here we are supposed to live in a free country and yet we have the government dragging a citizen before the congress to be grilled about what he has or has not put into his own body. Doesn't our government have better things to do with its time than harass private citizens who have done no harm to anybody? Who gave the government the right to criminalize behaviour that harms nobody but the user. I find this encroachment of our freedom by the government disgusting and immoral.
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Old 08-20-2010, 08:16 AM   #2
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Right, I guess if my boy want to pump dope in his veins it's strickly his business! Right? I guess if I stood outside buck naked in from of a public school it is my business right? It's my body! We don't need laws, we just need to do what feels good..

I hope they hang him, he's a child molester too.
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Old 08-20-2010, 09:20 AM   #3
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i could care less what happens to any ball player who uses performance enhancing drugs. The team owners and the leagues have wussed out when it comes to punishing players who use HGH and animal steroids. It is a sad day when congress has to step in and try to keep the game honest.
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Old 08-20-2010, 10:12 AM   #4
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i could care less what happens to any ball player who uses performance enhancing drugs. The team owners and the leagues have wussed out when it comes to punishing players who use HGH and animal steroids. It is a sad day when congress has to step in and try to keep the game honest.
Who gives a flying crap ? These are rich and somewhat arrogant, privileged men. Let 'em fend off the ravening hordes...they reap what they sow.
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Old 08-20-2010, 11:35 AM   #5
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Here is a story that really ticks me off.

http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/m...ory?id=5479232

Here we are supposed to live in a free country and yet we have the government dragging a citizen before the congress to be grilled about what he has or has not put into his own body. Doesn't our government have better things to do with its time than harass private citizens who have done no harm to anybody? Who gave the government the right to criminalize behaviour that harms nobody but the user. I find this encroachment of our freedom by the government disgusting and immoral.
You should read the news items. He's not in trouble for using steroids. It wasn't illegal when he did it. It may not be illegal now for all I know. He's in trouble because he lied while under oath. Lieing while under oath is perjury and is a crime. Had he admitted to using steroids when they asked him, he would have no legal problems.
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Old 08-20-2010, 11:41 AM   #6
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You should read the news items. He's not in trouble for using steroids. It wasn't illegal when he did it. It may not be illegal now for all I know. He's in trouble because he lied while under oath. Lieing while under oath is perjury and is a crime. Had he admitted to using steroids when they asked him, he would have no legal problems.


.... Assuming that he did, in fact, use steroids.
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Old 08-20-2010, 11:59 AM   #7
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We're all free to lie, but when you do it under oath, what do should you expect?
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Old 08-23-2010, 06:50 PM   #8
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That's all well and good, just please don't insult my intelligence by claiming a desire to live in a free society. You obviously don't.

First off, our congress is the biggest group of liars in the country. I have a great deal of contempt for them. I can't believe that they have nothing better to do than question private citizens on past drug use. I imagine the offenses they are guilty of are far more sinister than anything they accuse an athlete of.

Secondly, ingesting any substance for pleasure or to increase athletic ability is no business of the government UNLESS the user does something to harm another person while under the influence of that drug. The drug war has cost of billions of dollars, many lives, personal liberty and reduced drug use not a bit. It has made criminals of millions of middle class white people. It makes people respect the law less because they can clearly see that their use of the drug harms nobody besides themselves. Legalizing drugs would free America of a drag on our budget and provide a new taxable product. It would re-introduce America to real freedom to boot. The war on drugs is no different than the war on guns, it really is a war on personal freedom. The only winner is the government which gets more money and more power.

Thirdly, I have come to despise federal prosecutors who target famous people for crimes and always end up with the same old tired "lying under oath" dodge. Federal prosecutors have way too much power to destroy people's lives. Lest we forget, the whole Clinton fiasco was due to a federal prosecutor who had run amok. Millions of tax dollars spent on a witch hunt that uncovered the amazing fact that Clinton liked to chase skirt. Something everybody knew already.
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Old 08-24-2010, 04:08 AM   #9
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That's all well and good, just please don't insult my intelligence by claiming a desire to live in a free society. You obviously don't.

First off, our congress is the biggest group of liars in the country. I have a great deal of contempt for them. I can't believe that they have nothing better to do than question private citizens on past drug use. I imagine the offenses they are guilty of are far more sinister than anything they accuse an athlete of.

You'll get no argument here...look at all the guys currently under investigation....


Secondly, ingesting any substance for pleasure or to increase athletic ability is no business of the government UNLESS the user does something to harm another person while under the influence of that drug. The drug war has cost of billions of dollars, many lives, personal liberty and reduced drug use not a bit. It has made criminals of millions of middle class white people. It makes people respect the law less because they can clearly see that their use of the drug harms nobody besides themselves. Legalizing drugs would free America of a drag on our budget and provide a new taxable product. It would re-introduce America to real freedom to boot. The war on drugs is no different than the war on guns, it really is a war on personal freedom. The only winner is the government which gets more money and more power.

This is where you're wrong. While I personally could not care less if he was snorting Black Flag Roach Spray, it's not about his drug use. It's about his LYING about his drug abuse to congress while under oath. We are a nation of laws, there's scooter...if we decide which laws we want to enforce, this whole thing falls apart.


Thirdly, I have come to despise federal prosecutors who target famous people for crimes and always end up with the same old tired "lying under oath" dodge. Federal prosecutors have way too much power to destroy people's lives. Lest we forget, the whole Clinton fiasco was due to a federal prosecutor who had run amok. Millions of tax dollars spent on a witch hunt that uncovered the amazing fact that Clinton liked to chase skirt. Something everybody knew already.
well, it was also found out that he DID lie under oath, and he was IMPEACHED for it. He was disbarred in his home state. And he is a disgrace, at least to anyone who thinks the president of the United States should not break the laws of the country where he is chief executive. I will agree that federal prosecutors (actually, ANY prosecutor) can abuse their mandates, but so does the occasional cop, DA, and whomever holds a position of authority over the lives of men. And just for the record, LYING UNDER OATH is not a dodge, except if you're a Klinton supporter and feel that lying under oath is ok. Maybe someday you'll be an aggrieved party and somebody will lie onthe stand to your detriment...see how you want the perjury laws enforced then....
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Old 08-24-2010, 04:09 AM   #10
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Maybe they should have Bill Clinton guide him through the whole process.
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