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Old 08-10-2010, 05:52 PM   #1
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Default Hunting in danger - Wolves back on endangered species!

After sitting on the sidelines way too long, it is time for me to start to speak against what I see as the most serious existing threat to our hunting rights, at least in the west. Judge Malloy in Missoula, MT put the wolves back on the endangered species act a couple weeks ago. There were 13 animal rights and environmental organizations that filed the suit and it was led by the National Resources Defense Council. After listening to their representative speaking in a NPR interview downplay and side step the issue of our declining elk and deer populations due to wolf predation I went to their website (http://switchboard.nrdc.org/blogs/ms...n_rockies.html) where they have a blog about the wolf decision and I expressed my concern for the impact the wolves are having on the elk and deer. As could be expected I was pretty well flamed as a "crazy hunter" making ridiculous statements, however a couple of folks did post positive and supportive responses to my comments. I am writing this in the hopes of bringing awareness to all hunting groups and hunters everywhere that these groups primary goal is to end hunting, I firmly believe the wolf is just a tool to that end. The comments I've read on some of these organizations sites are frightening to me. They are willing to sacrifice the elk and deer, if the wolves kill them off until there is no longer a huntable population, what do you think will happen?? These groups are well funded(NRDC has about $100 million in the bank), well connected politically, armed with legions of smart savvy lawyers, and as fervent as a religious zealot in their beliefs. I encourage all of you to start paying attention to their activities, speak up, post on their blogs, let them know that we won't accept their forcing of their opinions upon us, make them stick to facts and not just the ones that support their position. Most of all let them know we will not accept the taking away of our hunting rights!!
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Old 08-11-2010, 07:52 AM   #2
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I remember the libtards were successful in putting the mountain lion on the endangered species list in Kalifornia. The judge refused to protect whitetail and mule deer as in his estimation, there's enough for the lions and hunters and don't need to be protected. It was not long before people were being attacked in parks, campgrounds and in their own backyards by those 'protected' mountain lions. This will be no different because once the wolves start finding deer and elk scarcer to come by, they will find 'alternative' food sources....Fido the dog and fluffy the cat come to mind, as do humans who are found within their hunting range. I have no problem with the libtards numbers being reduced in this fashion.

Did the judge stop hunting for the wolves' prey animals as well ?
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Old 08-11-2010, 09:55 AM   #3
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I remember the libtards were successful in putting the mountain lion on the endangered species list in Kalifornia. The judge refused to protect whitetail and mule deer as in his estimation, there's enough for the lions and hunters and don't need to be protected. It was not long before people were being attacked in parks, campgrounds and in their own backyards by those 'protected' mountain lions. This will be no different because once the wolves start finding deer and elk scarcer to come by, they will find 'alternative' food sources....Fido the dog and fluffy the cat come to mind, as do humans who are found within their hunting range. I have no problem with the libtards numbers being reduced in this fashion.

Did the judge stop hunting for the wolves' prey animals as well ?
The ban on hunting mountain lions in California was the result of a statewide ballot referendum that was overwhelmingly approved by the voters, there was no judge involved. Mountain lions were not put on the endangered species list. They remain classified as a game animal in California but because of the law against hunting them that was passed by the voters they are protected.

In the past ten years there has been one fatal mountain lion attack on a human and a couple more that resulted in injuries in California.

There is no documented case on record of a wolf ever having killed a human being in North America.
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Old 08-11-2010, 10:06 AM   #4
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The ban on hunting mountain lions in California was the result of a statewide ballot referendum that was overwhelmingly approved by the voters, there was no judge involved. Mountain lions were not put on the endangered species list. They remain classified as a game animal in California but because of the law against hunting them that was passed by the voters they are protected.

In the past ten years there has been one fatal mountain lion attack on a human and a couple more that resulted in injuries in California.

There is no documented case on record of a wolf ever having killed a human being in North America.
Regardless...I interpret your first paragraph as "The decision on whether to regard mountain lions as endangered or not, was removed from the empirical qualifications applied by Fish and Wildlife authorities, and put in the hands of retards who know nothing". And while you may (or may not) be correct in your assertions regarding wild animal attacks, while there may be a scarcity of fatalities, there are enough maimed park-goers out there to put the stones to your fatalities assertions. You can survive an animal attack, but sometimes, death can be preferable to what you're left with as a survivor. And the fact there are no documented cases of a wolf ever killing a human being in North America, that is not to say "A human being was never killed by a wolf in north america". So there's no record of it...certainly the eradication of the wolf throughout it's range wherever it competed with humans and their activities bears some scrutiny. So we can tell the folks who like to hike in the hills surrounding their homes that they don't have to fear mountain lion attacks, and the folks on the northern peninsula of Michigan and those surrounding Yellowstone can go camping with impunity because we never heard of a wolf killing a human being. That's idiocy of the highest order. Fact is, libtards are reintroducing dangerous animals back into settled areas for idiotic reasons. This puts people and property at risk. It is nonsense, and should not be allowed.
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Old 08-11-2010, 10:21 AM   #5
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There is no documented case on record of a wolf ever having killed a human being in North America.
Well... THAT one was easy to refute. There have been two documented wolf killings just since 2005...


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35913715/


Many, many attacks listed here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolf_attacks_on_humans

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Old 08-11-2010, 10:42 AM   #6
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Well... THAT one was easy to refute. There have been two documented wolf killings just since 2005...


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35913715/


Many, many attacks listed here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolf_attacks_on_humans

He got that information on the same PBS segment I heard.. I'm sure produced by the same tree huging tribe!
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Old 08-11-2010, 01:35 PM   #7
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If you're going to factor in attacks on humans, pit bulls have been responsible for many more deaths, particularly of children, than wolves. If you're talking effects on wildlife, well that's one thing, but when it comes to attacks on people, you may want to reassess your priorities.
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Documented is a legal term so restrictive in it's definition that in order for an attack to make it as such a person has to be mauled to death in front of witnesses and other such nonsenses.

It's a stupid comment made by people who I hope get a first hand education with a pack. A few more years aught to get that hope done.

When wolves aren't scared to death of man they kill'm man like sheep. That is when there's no sheep left.

Piles of people have been killed by wolves in N.A. They also carry with them another wolf called rabbis.

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Old 08-11-2010, 07:08 PM   #10
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If you're going to factor in attacks on humans, pit bulls have been responsible for many more deaths, particularly of children, than wolves. If you're talking effects on wildlife, well that's one thing, but when it comes to attacks on people, you may want to reassess your priorities.
When the wolf once again is as numerous as the pit bull and lives just as close, then...

Native Americans have a few stories about the wolf and not one about the pit bull. Hmmm.
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