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Old 06-26-2010, 09:35 AM   #1
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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000..._WSJ_US_News_6

Don't know why someone thought this was news worthy in this day of drivel, but I enjoyed it.

He does miss a point though. He tries to say times were worse then in some regards. I say there is nothing new under the sun and people are the same. If a person wants to know what people were like back in zero duce just take a look at people today and your there.

A very good over view of our founders as I've read this description of them several times before. Maybe the next time a desire to stick them up on a pedestal is attempted people will remember what class of people they were, politicians. Politicians desperately trying to increase the size of government. Job accomplished I'd say.
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Old 06-27-2010, 10:07 AM   #2
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An era without "politically correct" ......ahhhhh paradise!
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Old 06-28-2010, 04:05 AM   #3
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Not hardly. What you see today is what you could see then. Just ask this, why the first amendment, first even? The only difference was the politician then had a much greater incentive, survival. Begs this question, when did it become so terrible and illegal to threaten a politician? That incentive was very motivational. Everything happens one small step at a time until... I like seeing things from that first step.

I hear Palin is saying the shake down by the government of BP can lead to a Hitleresk dictatorship, the blame being on the dictatorship when the blame lies squarely on the abuse of BP. If it does happen they along with all other leaders who abuse the publics trust are guilty, not the government; they were just given the opportunity to do it. The free market is in control until it's not and it's entirely up to the market. The market takes the first steps and our history has declared they have always chosen the government as a friend over the people. You can thank Hamiltonian-ism for that. "this country is here so the wealthy can make money off of it" or something like that Hamilton said.

Even Clintons were politicians then.

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Old 06-28-2010, 04:25 AM   #4
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Begs this question, when did it become so terrible and illegal to threaten a politician?
When it was concidered an assualt and therefore against the law. Something completely different than feee speech.

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I hear Palin is saying the shake down by the government of BP can lead to a Hitleresk dictatorship, the blame being on the dictatorship when the blame lies squarely on the abuse of BP.
Hardly, let's face it, the government is every bit to blame for this spill. If you're going to have thousands of pages of regulations and years worth of hoops you must jump thruogh even before you can drill let alone stage the equipment on site, they are just as guilty. There's no free market.
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The free market is in control until it's not and it's entirely up to the market.
It deserves repeating, THERE IS NO FREE MARKET!
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"this country is here so the wealthy can make money off of it" or something like that Hamilton said.
Couldn't disagree more with that statement. This country exist because people yearn to be free. That is until people learn it's easier to steal from thy neighbor hiding behind the guns of uncle sam rather than earn it themselves, SS, Medicare, welfare. The free market exists because it bennifits the poor the best as it should be.
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Evidence that shows Hamilton was wrong. This country exists because it helps the poorest among us.

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A MINORITY VIEW
BY WALTER WILLIAMS
RELEASE: WEDNESDAY, JUNE 30, 2010

Where Best To Be Poor

Imagine you are an unborn spirit whom God has condemned to a life of poverty but has permitted to choose the nation in which to live. I'm betting that most any such condemned unborn spirit would choose the United States. Why? What has historically been defined as poverty, nationally or internationally, no longer exists in the U.S. Let's look at it.
According to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, the 2009 poverty guideline was $22,000 for an urban four-person family. In 2009, having income less than that, 15 percent or 40 million Americans were classified as poor, but there's something unique about those "poor" people not seen anywhere else in the world. Robert Rector, researcher at the Heritage Foundation, presents data collected from several government sources in a report titled "How Poor Are America's Poor? Examining the 'Plague' of Poverty in America" (8/27/2007):
-- Forty-three percent of all poor households actually own their own homes. The average home owned by persons classified as poor by the Census Bureau is a three-bedroom house with one-and-a-half baths, a garage and a porch or patio.
-- Eighty percent of poor households have air conditioning. By contrast, in 1970, only 36 percent of the entire U.S. population enjoyed air conditioning.
-- Only 6 percent of poor households are overcrowded; two-thirds have more than two rooms per person.
-- The typical poor American has more living space than the average individual living in Paris, London, Vienna, Athens and other cities throughout Europe. (These comparisons are to the average citizens in foreign countries, not to those classified as poor.)
-- Nearly three-quarters of poor households own a car; 31 percent own two or more cars.
-- Ninety-seven percent of poor households have a color television; over half own two or more color televisions.
-- Seventy-eight percent have a VCR or DVD player; 62 percent have cable or satellite TV reception.
-- Eighty-nine percent own microwave ovens, more than half have a stereo, and a more than a third have an automatic dishwasher.
What's defined as poverty is misleading in another way. Official poverty measures count just family's cash income. It ignores additional sources of support such as the earned-income tax credit, which is a cash rebate to low-income workers; it ignores Medicaid, housing allowances, food stamps and other federal and local government subsidies to the poor. According to a report by American Enterprise Institute scholar Nicholas Eberstadt, titled "Poor Statistics," "In 2006, according to the annual Bureau of Labor Statistics Consumer Expenditure Survey, reported purchases by the poorest fifth of American households were more than twice as high as reported incomes." That additional money might represent earnings from unreported employment, illegal activities and unreported financial assistance. A proper measure of well-being is what a person consumes rather than his income. A huge gap has emerged between income and consumption at lower income levels.
Material poverty can be measured relatively or absolutely. An absolute measure would consist of some minimum quantity of goods and services deemed adequate for a baseline level of survival. Achieving that level means that poverty has been eliminated. However, if poverty is defined as, say, the lowest one-fifth of the income distribution, it is impossible to eliminate poverty. Everyone's income could double, triple and quadruple, but there will always be the lowest one-fifth.
Yesterday's material poverty is all but gone. In all too many cases, it has been replaced by a more debilitating kind of poverty -- behavioral poverty or poverty of the spirit. This kind of poverty refers to conduct and values that prevent the development of healthy families, work ethic and self-sufficiency. The absence of these values virtually guarantees pathological lifestyles that include: drug and alcohol addiction, crime, violence, incarceration, illegitimacy, single-parent households, dependency and erosion of work ethic. Poverty of the spirit is a direct result of the perverse incentives created by some of our efforts to address material poverty.
Walter E. Williams is a professor of economics at George Mason University. To find out more about Walter E. Williams and read features by other Creators Syndicate writers and cartoonists, visit the Creators Syndicate Web page at www.creators.com.
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Evidence that shows Hamilton was wrong. This country exists because it helps the poorest among us.
Hamilton was declared wrong when he was shot dead in a duel.
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When it was concidered an assualt and therefore against the law. Something completely different than feee speech.

Hardly, let's face it, the government is every bit to blame for this spill. If you're going to have thousands of pages of regulations and years worth of hoops you must jump thruogh even before you can drill let alone stage the equipment on site, they are just as guilty. There's no free market.
It deserves repeating, THERE IS NO FREE MARKET!
Couldn't disagree more with that statement. This country exist because people yearn to be free. That is until people learn it's easier to steal from thy neighbor hiding behind the guns of uncle sam rather than earn it themselves, SS, Medicare, welfare. The free market exists because it bennifits the poor the best as it should be.
If there is no free market it's because the free market sold it's self. It was in control until it wasn't.
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Old 07-01-2010, 05:56 PM   #8
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If there is no free market it's because the free market sold it's self. It was in control until it wasn't.
sold itself or it was out right stolen by those lazy SOBs that found it pays to hide behind the guns of uncle sam to get what you want? At what time does stealing no longer become stealing? When you have 10 people agree? 1000? Maybe 1,000,000? You tell me what the price for your morals?
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