Finally, a little perspective.

[Fieldmouse]

Fox had on Haly Barbour over the weekend and he said despite all these doom and gloom 24 hour news cycles, MS is doing well. Beaches are open. Their shrimp season has started off showing a great year. Dr Russ Chainelli, university of TX, Elpaso who was the lead clean up guy from the Valdez spill, further put it into perspective. Oil is natural in the sea and lots of it. 2 to 12 million tons of it every year seep into the ocean. Their are creatures that need it to live. The Ixtoc platform in the gulf had pretty much the same thing disaster wise. Major blow out that lasted 9 months. 400,000 tons of oil spilled into the gulf. That's a hole lot more than whats been spilled to date. The shrimping industry recovered in about 2 years. These doom and gloom reports from the enviormentalist are for 2 things only. Raise money and advance the agenda.

Just remeber, these pics look bad only to get people to watch. The gulf will recover very quickly. Mother nature has already been through all this before, naturally and is in great shape to handle it today.

[slicendice]

I'm not saying what Haley Barbour is saying isn't true, but it's probably not in the best interest of his tourist industry or his shrimping industry to say the beaches are in bad shape or the shrimp are fouled.

[Griswold]

LOL.



Or perhaps this image would be more appropriate for this thread:

[Fieldmouse]

Yep, it's a bird that I would prefer to have shot instead of wasting money on cleaning it up. Funny, can't debate the facts I posted, can you?

[Griswold]

Originally Posted by Fieldmouse

Yep, it's a bird that I would prefer to have shot instead of wasting money on cleaning it up. Funny, can't debate the facts I posted, can you?

Sometimes the "facts" are so ludicrous that they don't even deserve to be addressed. In this case, the "facts" pretty well speak for themselves. Shooting the bird or cleaning up the bird isn't the issue, as you very well know. The issue is whether the situation that dumb old bird finds itself in is "natural" and just another ho-hum environmental burp that will take care of itself in a few years. You opine that it is, an argument that I find hilarious...hence the "LOL." Although I have to admit that the LOL was just my smart-assedness coming out a bit. I didn't really laugh out loud when I read it...just rolled my eyes.

You want facts? Here are the only facts that matter:

1.) There were 10.8 million gallons of crude oil spilled in the Valdez disaaster. Twenty-one years later, the environmental impact on the Arctic shoreline is still being felt.

2.) In the Gulf, there may be as many as 4 million gallons of oil PER DAY spilled. Even at the low-end estimate of 500,000 gallons per day, the total will far exceed the Valdez spill.

We're much better equipped today to deal with a massive oil spill than we were in '89, and the accessibility of the Gulf is much greater than it was in Alaska. Containment and clean-up will be much better than it was at Valdez. But it's inevitable that it is going to take years for the habitat and wildlife populations along the Gulf to return to normal. It's also inevitable that the tourism industry—already hard-hit by the recession—will suffer.

As usual, the masses rush to politicize the issue. The left wants to dramatize it in hopes of curbing off-shore drilling while the right wants to minimize it in hopes of unabridged off-shore drilling. Neither side could care less about the facts. As is the case with almost every issue, from global warming to health care, I suspect that the real truth lies somewhere in the middle.

But thank you for the BP point-of-view.

[Griswold]

Incidentally, regarding the Ixtoc incident, the high-end estimate was 378 million gallons leaked. If the high-end estimates from the Deep Well Horizon incident are correct, we're already more than halfway to that total and there's no end in sight. This may well exceed the Ixtoc spill. Additionally, half of all the Ixtoc oil was burned on the surface...something we aren't doing with this spill. Only about 3 million gallons of oil reached U.S. beaches from Ixtoc. Want to bet that Deepwater Horizon far exceeds that number?

You want to continue to debate the "facts"?

[Fieldmouse]

Knee jerk response that fails to address the facts I posted. Let's try and keep it in perspective. For the bird, just shoot the dam thing. It's no endangered and it would be cheaper to just replace it with a farm raised chick. It's only a bird. For oil spills, its a drop in the bucket. The ixtoc spill only had something like 2% of the oil reach the spill. It went on for 9 months, didn't kill the gulf. Let's keep this in perspective. The Earth seeps way more oil each day and each year then this oil spill.

Below is a chart on man made spills. It leaves out good ol mother earth.

[Griswold]

What is it you accuse other members of this forum of doing? Deflecting when they can't argue the points? Turns out, you're very good at it yourself.

Let me repeat the little dose of perspective you keep asking for, in case you missed it the first time: The Valdez spill dumped 10.8 million gallons of oil and the environmental recovery isn't complete 21 years later. The Deepwater spill may be dumping 4.2 million gallons of oil per day, and we're approaching 50 days already.

There's your perspective, Fieldmouse. Deal with it, or go on acting as a cheerleader for the faction that want to ignore the impact of this because they irroneously feel that the future of offshore drilling hinges on the outcome.

[Fieldmouse]

Again, you have failed to adress the facts. This oil spill isn't the valdez. falcon posted an article not long ago that stated salmon numbers are back to normal. Otters and crap are back to normal. The place is very prestine area. The earth can take care of itself. Oil is a natural substance in the ocean and much more seeps out everyday. I posted the numbers on the man made oil spills and every year, man spills more oil then the horizon rig. Second, the rig is much different than Valdez. This spill is miles offshore in warm water. Ixtoc spill only saw about 2% of the oil make it to shore. The rest of it was consumed at sea. Watch TV and they have this spill off of Long Island already. Too funny.

Second, what about MS shrimping industry. It's opened up and started off real good, this year. In the Ixtoc spill it's been reported that the shrimping industry recovered with in 2 years. That's 2 years after 375 million gallons of oil spilled for 9 months? Damn thos facts are hard to avoid.

Last, let's go back to this bird that should be shot instead of money wasted on it. So your claiming we should waste money because it met and un-natural fate? Then why aren't you asking Ford, GM, Toyota.... to pay for a super fund in order to cover deer and other animals that get hit on the road? Or would you prefer we just shoot the darn things?

[Griswold]

Originally Posted by Fieldmouse

I posted the numbers on the man made oil spills and every year, man spills more oil then the horizon rig.

Nonsense.

Second, the rig is much different than Valdez.

You're right. It is much different...it's much, MUCH bigger.

This spill is miles offshore in warm water.

We can only hope that will help protect the shoreline to some extent. But we don't know that.

Ixtoc spill only saw about 2% of the oil make it to shore. The rest of it was consumed at sea.

That's a little disengenious. Very little of the Ixtoc spill made it to shore. It was consumed at sea, but most of that consumption occurred because of human intervention (i.e., it was burned off). We aren't doing that with this particular spill, so our best hope is that it is trapped, dispersed or evaporates. As I said earlier, I would hazard a guess that we see much more oil wash ashore from the Deepwater spill than from the Ixtoc spill.

Also, the Deepwater well is leaking oil at a much quicker pace than the Ixtoc well, so it will be much more difficult for the oil to naturally disperse. And it's located closer to sensitive shoreline than the Ixtoc spill. You cannot compare Deepwater and Ixtoc.

Watch TV and they have this spill off of Long Island already. Too funny.

They're speculating it will. You're speculating it won't. Nobody knows what will happen. Accepting either opinion as absolute makes very little sense.

Second, what about MS shrimping industry. It's opened up and started off real good, this year. In the Ixtoc spill it's been reported that the shrimping industry recovered with in 2 years. That's 2 years after 375 million gallons of oil spilled for 9 months? Damn thos facts are hard to avoid.

The shrimping industry is just one part of a much bigger picture.

Last, let's go back to this bird that should be shot instead of money wasted on it. So your claiming we should waste money because it met and un-natural fate? Then why aren't you asking Ford, GM, Toyota.... to pay for a super fund in order to cover deer and other animals that get hit on the road? Or would you prefer we just shoot the darn things?

You're doing something else that you do well: Putting words into other people's mouths. You like to make up all kinds of little Fieldmouse lies about things that other people supposedly said. I believe I made myself perfectly clear in a previous post when I said that whether we should clean up or kill the birds wasn't the issue. Unless it is an endangered or threatened species, no, I do not think significant money should be spent on cleaning them up. Now please stick to debating what I say and stop trying to deflect focus to something I did not say.