Yesterday, Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-TX) suggested another response to the passage of health reform: eliminating the right of American citizens to elect U.S. Senators.
Want talk about unconstitutionaly. This is similar way nazi took control in 1933 after they gain power. Watchout who you vote for or we will be going back to 1933 and Reliving the past. Why don't he put on ss uniform
As politicians neared the building, they found it surrounded by SS and SA thugs who tried to ensure that only Nazi or Nationalist politicians got into the building. The vote for this law was crucial as it gave Hitler a vast amount of power. The law basically stated that any bill only needed Hitler's signature and within 24 hours that bill would become law in Germany. With only Nazis and other right wing politicians inside the Kroll Opera House, the bill was quickly passed into law. The act gave Hitler what he wanted - dictatorial power. What he wanted would become law in Germany within 24 hours of his signature being put on paper.
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I agree that we should repeal the 17 amendment. The Senate was set up to represent the state's interest not the people's interest, hence the 2/state number. Let's face it, the Senate doesn't do it's job. Much of what it does is detrimental to state's interest and has hurt the country. We should return to the states picking who should represent them in the Senate. This would also put more focus on local state elections.
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John Adams “The moment the idea is admitted into society that property is not as sacred as the laws of God, and that there is not a force of law and public justice to protect it, anarchy and tyranny commence.”
Ronald Reagan: 'Everybody that is for abortion has already been born'
"I never said I was worth it. I only said I wouldn't do it for less " William F. Buckley Jr.
I agree that we should repeal the 17 amendment. The Senate was set up to represent the state's interest not the people's interest, hence the 2/state number. Let's face it, the Senate doesn't do it's job. Much of what it does is detrimental to state's interest and has hurt the country. We should return to the states picking who should represent them in the Senate. This would also put more focus on local state elections.
If any law need to be repeal it a should be electoral college. It has failed. Bush would never been in office the first time and obama would never beat Hillary. Lets start at the new laws that are letting people get voted in by the minority. Just think how different thing would be! The 17 amendment been in law for 97 years and now it's a problem????
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If any law need to be repeal it a should be electoral college. It has failed. Bush would never been in office the first time and obama would never beat Hillary. Lets start at the new laws that are letting people get voted in by the minority. Just think how different thing would be! The 17 amendment been in law for 97 years and now it's a problem????
Sorry, the electorial college plays a very important role ensuring every state and even rural areas are visisted and play important roles in elections. If you do away with that then Dems would only vist major cities and use corrupt organizations like unions and Acorn to get out the vote while surpressing votes in the country side.
Again, I've shown why the 17th amendment is a problem. The Senate isn't there to represent the poeple. It's there to represent the states. Let's face it, the states have been screwed ever since it was passed. There are some many unfunded mandates put on the state, budgets can't keep up. This latest healthcare bill forces the states to pick up 100% of the new medicaid tab in 2016. They can't afford it. It's time to do away with it. Increase the numbers in the house and take that back to 1 congressman/ 40K people. Remember, you have no right to vote in this country. It's only that your state allows you to vote.
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John Adams “The moment the idea is admitted into society that property is not as sacred as the laws of God, and that there is not a force of law and public justice to protect it, anarchy and tyranny commence.”
Ronald Reagan: 'Everybody that is for abortion has already been born'
"I never said I was worth it. I only said I wouldn't do it for less " William F. Buckley Jr.
Sorry, the electorial college plays a very important role ensuring every state and even rural areas are visisted and play important roles in elections. If you do away with that then Dems would only vist major cities and use corrupt organizations like unions and Acorn to get out the vote while surpressing votes in the country side.
The Framers were wary of giving the people the power to directly elect the President — some felt the citizenry too beholden to local interests, too easily duped by promises or shenanigans, or simply because a national election, in the time of oil lamps and quill pens, was just impractical. Some proposals gave the power to the Congress, but this did not sit well with those who wanted to see true separation of the branches of the new government. Still others felt the state legislatures should decide, but this was thought to make the President too beholden to state interests. The Electoral College, proposed by James Wilson, was the compromise that the Constitutional Convention reached.
Ok I was wrong I should have said out dated. If you did away with the electorial college the majority would win and not the minority. Which have shown to be are fate in last few elections. We all have tv/radios/mail. Everyone can vote, everyone can see there candidate.
We are not in the era of oil lamps and quill pens.
The Constitution contains many phrases, clauses, and amendments detailing ways people cannot be denied the right to vote. You cannot deny the right to vote because of race or gender. Citizens of Washington DC can vote for President; 18-year-olds can vote; you can vote even if you fail to pay a poll tax. The Constitution also requires that anyone who can vote for the "most numerous branch" of their state legislature can vote for House members and Senate members.
Note that in all of this, though, the Constitution never explicitly ensures the right to vote, as it does the right to speech, for example. It does require that Representatives be chosen and Senators be elected by "the People," and who comprises "the People" has been expanded by the aforementioned amendments several times. Aside from these requirements, though, the qualifications for voters are left to the states
IT's all opinon and what point of view you have. You want Goverment to have more power instead of the people.
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Ok I was wrong I should have said out dated. If you did away with the electorial college the majority would win and not the minority. Which have shown to be are fate in last few elections. We all have tv/radios/mail. Everyone can vote, everyone can see there candidate.
How so? Bush was much better than Gore ever could have been. That's the only recent election that the popular vote went against the electorial vote.
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You want Goverment to have more power instead of the people.
No, it is you who is calling for more power to the government. I'm calling for less power to the government. I have yet to hear you point to where the Senate has represented the states which is their job to do. Since they have been directly elected, states have been loosing their rights slowly but surely to the ever more powerful federal government. It has been a disaster since the 17th amendment has been passed with direct vote of the Senate. It also has proven a mistake of fixing the congress at 435 members instead of tied to the people. How can 1 person effectively represent over 800,000 people? FYI, it also takes an aweful lot of money to convince that many to vote for you as well.
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John Adams “The moment the idea is admitted into society that property is not as sacred as the laws of God, and that there is not a force of law and public justice to protect it, anarchy and tyranny commence.”
Ronald Reagan: 'Everybody that is for abortion has already been born'
"I never said I was worth it. I only said I wouldn't do it for less " William F. Buckley Jr.
How so? Bush was much better than Gore ever could have been. That's the only recent election that the popular vote went against the electorial vote.
We seen what Bush did in 8 years and how he left the country in red. Did you really say that with a plain face?
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No, it is you who is calling for more power to the government. I'm calling for less power to the government. I have yet to hear you point to where the Senate has represented the states which is their job to do. Since they have been directly elected, states have been loosing their rights slowly but surely to the ever more powerful federal government. It has been a disaster since the 17th amendment has been passed with direct vote of the Senate. It also has proven a mistake of fixing the congress at 435 members instead of tied to the people. How can 1 person effectively represent over 800,000 people? FYI, it also takes an aweful lot of money to convince that many to vote for you as well.
So your saying that few people should control all the people with in that state? That the people them self are dumb and don't know whats best? So state can do what it please and only cater to the rich and powerful.
We seen what Bush did in 8 years and how he left the country in red. Did you really say that with a plain face?
When did the economy begin to tank? After the Dems got control of the purse strings in 06. It went on hyper slide when Obama got in office. Again, how is trickle up working for you?
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So your saying that few people should control all the people with in that state?
That's they way government is set up in each State. What am I missing?
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That the people them self are dumb and don't know whats best?
Well, remind me who is the President today? How's that hope and change working out for you?
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So state can do what it please and only cater to the rich and powerful.
Yep, if that's what the state chooses to do. However, you always have the power to move to another state. You do have a few to choose from which by the way is what the framers had intended with our form of government. Unfortunately because our Senate is now directly elected, states have lost too much power to the federal goververnment intrusion on their rights. Now the federal government dictates too much what the state must do. Again, I have yet to hear you counter my arguement on that. Please show me where I'm wrong.
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John Adams “The moment the idea is admitted into society that property is not as sacred as the laws of God, and that there is not a force of law and public justice to protect it, anarchy and tyranny commence.”
Ronald Reagan: 'Everybody that is for abortion has already been born'
"I never said I was worth it. I only said I wouldn't do it for less " William F. Buckley Jr.
Bingo bigturkeys. We don't agree on some things but you carry an intelligent thought well. Your putting it together, love to read it.
Napoleon is a fascinating read. If you haven't before check out how he got the country to vote him in power. The critical vote was if I remember right 3 million for and a mere 1500 against. You can probably guess as well as I can (never read for sure) what happened to that 1500.
Again, thanks for shedding some light.
The Senate isn't to blame for the problems since the 17th. That's hog wash. Your a history guy. Why the need for the 17th? One reason is a problem some here struggle greatly with, bitter partisanship. 1911, interesting year, interesting decade, interesting couple of decades.
If the economy tanked when the dems took over in 06 did the world start with the few years the Repubs held power. Hog wash too. Like I said, bitter partisanship and destructive to credibility.
Want talk about unconstitutional!
