Land of the free,,,, B.S..

burniegoeasily · 03-25-2010, 10:54 AM

A thought came to me. Here in America we are free. That is our big claim to fame. With this Healthcare bill, are we really? What if I was of a faith that does not believe in medical intervention? Which there are many who do. We have freedom of religion, so I am free to believe as such. Now that I’m forced to pay for healthcare, what happens to my freedom of choice? Why are we now forcing some to pay for a product they will never use? Am I forced to by car insurance if I only ride a bike??? NO.

And before Will gets on hear and points out how stupid religion is, and how his supper great friends and his supper dupper great buisness that he runs will do blah blah blah, that is not the point. Here in America, we are free to believe as we want. That is, unless you believe America should be a socialism or communism, Aka progressive. If that is the case, are we still free? No, and if that is what America is becoming, we need to change the name to a more appropriate one. The U.S.S.A. Or U.C.S.A. United socialist/communist states of America.

pigiron · 03-25-2010, 11:08 AM

I really hope they can repeal this travesty.

....but for now, we can start paying the 10% tanning tax!

nodog · 03-25-2010, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by burniegoeasily

A thought came to me. Here in America we are free. That is our big claim to fame. With this Healthcare bill, are we really? .

Problem is this could've been asked long before the health care reform. I don't hear to many people outraged at the cost of cigarettes and they should be but since it didn't effect them and since it's a big cash cow for the governments that now are taking the high ground by declaring the health reform not something they must follow, it's too late.

Fight for freedom for freedoms sake not our own special interest. I don't smoke, never have and have been harsh on people who do, but $5 a pack is an insult to all freedom loving people.

James B · 03-25-2010, 05:17 PM

This administration despise freedom for anyone except them self centered ugly self. Biggest setback in several hundred years.

H80Hunter · 03-25-2010, 05:20 PM

Now that I’m forced to pay for healthcare, what happens to my freedom of choice? Why are we now forcing some to pay for a product they will never use? Am I forced to by car insurance if I only ride a bike??? NO.

You pay taxes on roads, taxes for schools etc. that you can choose not to use. You're still free. Also, learn to spell.

Lemaitre · 03-26-2010, 08:53 AM

The Quakers and Amish, among others, are opposed to war on the basis of their religious beliefs but still have to pay taxes that support the U.S. military and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Therefore, I do not see how people who do not use health care for religious reasons should be exempt from supporting it financially when it is national policy to do so. Being a member of a society will often require people to financially support certain policies of that society, even though they may be personally opposed to them. Like it or not, the majority of our elected representatives and chief executive have determined that it is the policy of our society to fund health care and no one is exempt from this obligation on the basis of their religious beliefs.

ipscshooter · 03-26-2010, 09:01 AM

How many times do the folks on your side, Obama, Pelosi, Reid and their ilk, believe they can dip into the taxpayer well before they dry it up? Or is drying up the well their plan? Totally destroy what we have so they can force something completely different on us... You know, socialism (and, Obama clearly is a socialist.... just ask the Rev. Al) has never worked. Anywhere.

burniegoeasily · 03-26-2010, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by nodog

Problem is this could've been asked long before the health care reform. I don't hear to many people outraged at the cost of cigarettes and they should be but since it didn't effect them and since it's a big cash cow for the governments that now are taking the high ground by declaring the health reform not something they must follow, it's too late.

Fight for freedom for freedoms sake not our own special interest. I don't smoke, never have and have been harsh on people who do, but $5 a pack is an insult to all freedom loving people.

Are you suggesting everyone smokes? Or are you suggesting that everyone has to pay a sin tax if they do or do not partake. I'm a little lost. You do realize everyone is being forced to take healthcare. That is the point. A sin tax is not placed on everyone. And Government is not forcing eveyone to smoke. Agian, Im lost .

burniegoeasily · 03-26-2010, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by H80Hunter

Now that I’m forced to pay for healthcare, what happens to my freedom of choice? Why are we now forcing some to pay for a product they will never use? Am I forced to by car insurance if I only ride a bike??? NO.

You pay taxes on roads, taxes for schools etc. that you can choose not to use. You're still free. Also, learn to spell.

Let’s see, I don't drive a car and still have to pay taxes for roads? Hmmmm, I guess you suggest that products that everyone need, simply fall from the sky. My mail must come from the birds, etc. etc. . But I do appreciate your childish jab. How old are you?? Sorry please don't kill me for the "buisness" and "Supper" typo. Oh lowdy, please don't smite me now. Or would you have prefered I spell dupper as duper. Gawd, grow up.

burniegoeasily · 03-26-2010, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Lemaitre

The Quakers and Amish, among others, are opposed to war on the basis of their religious beliefs but still have to pay taxes that support the U.S. military and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Therefore, I do not see how people who do not use health care for religious reasons should be exempt from supporting it financially when it is national policy to do so. Being a member of a society will often require people to financially support certain policies of that society, even though they may be personally opposed to them. Like it or not, the majority of our elected representatives and chief executive have determined that it is the policy of our society to fund health care and no one is exempt from this obligation on the basis of their religious beliefs.

I understand what you are saying. Agree with war or not, defense is not a private commodity