Hopefully next yr - there will be even more state laws /the fed dosnt like next yr.

[Knightia]

Firearms Freedom Act: Symbolic declaration of rights or state-federal standoff?



'This does draw a line in the sand'

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By JEREMY PELZER - Star-Tribune capital bureau | Posted: Friday, March 12, 2010 12:00 am | (8) Comments
Robert Baker, owner of Freedom-based gun manufacturer Freedom Arms, holds one of the company's Model 83 revolvers with an 18 1/2-inch barrel in this April 2008 file photo. Freedom Arms currently is the only gun manufacturer in Wyoming that makes firearms from scratch. (AP Photo / Bradly J. Boner)





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CHEYENNE -- With some trepidation, Gov. Dave Freudenthal on Thursday signed into law a bill asserting that Wyoming-made firearms are exempt from all federal laws and regulations.
The legislation, which takes effect in July, is meant as a shot across the bow of the federal government. But it's unclear whether the new law will remain a symbolic declaration of states' and Second Amendment rights, or spark a real-life confrontation between state and federal officials.

Under the law, any firearms made from scratch in Wyoming -- besides automatic weapons and rocket-propelled grenade launchers -- are officially exempt from all federal gun laws so long as the gun isn't taken out of the state.

That means no three-day waiting period to buy a Wyoming-made gun, no Federal Firearms License needed, no federal taxes to pay.

http://www.trib.com/news/state-and-r...ecf272d04.html

[podunk kennels]

I say congratulations to Gov Freudenthal and the state of wyoming for having the balls to stand up against the higher ups.

[kevin1]

I'm guessing that this won't be the last act of defiance from the states to the fed, it's only the beginning. The federal goob overstepped it's authority decades ago, the states have every right to revolt and put them back in their place.

[Knightia]

Yep looks like 5 ( didnt realize UT & SD had passed theres also) so far- with more to come.





















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[nodog]

Sounds like just what I said to look out for just a week or so ago. This governor is making the argument that the second amendment or article I can't remember which doesn't apply to all the states. States rights, be careful what you ask for.

I just wish people in charge would stop and consider what they are implying. They can't, in the end the people will always give up some kind of freedom.

Sounds good though until...

[Fieldmouse]

States rights, be careful what you ask for.

It's the way our founders wanted it and you of all people should know it, nodog. If you're not happy with the way your state has treated you, you have 49 other's to move to along with a few other territories. FYI, 56 other states if your BHO.

[bigbulls]

This governor is making the argument that the second amendment or article I can't remember which doesn't apply to all the states.

It doesn't apply to the states. It applies to the people of the United States. If the 2nd was left to stand exactly as it is worded then the feds nor the states have any legal right or authority to infringe on your right.

They don't have the authority to regulate caliber of ammo, barrel length, magazine capacity, shape of the gun, etc... etc... though they have so far done so with out any resistance. I think that resistance isn't too far away.

[Knightia]

This governor is making the argument that the second amendment or article I can't remember which doesn't apply to all the states.

He( the gov) said the second amendment or article doesnt apply to all states?I didnt see that- could you point out where in the story that was said Nodog?

I just wish people in charge would stop and consider what they are implying. They can't, in the end the people will always give up some kind of freedom.

Like i said i dont see where that was implyed myself( but my eyes arent what they use to be either) Or what freedoms are being given up in this case either -that you speak of.

Sounds good though until...

Intil ... what? Did you have some possible future situations in mind with this partal thought?

Im all for much less laws myself pretty much & any law has to be very carefully worded & spelled out clearly-- so they cant be minipulated & used as they wernt intended.

I dont know all the details of this law myself- i still have a bit of reading etc to do.

But i assume just like the fed does - the state can also try to change or amend any laws it wants.

As FM pointed out there are 50 states- if someones not happy with where they live & a states laws , taxes etc, they can change that by moving. Just as i ( and my family)did when we kissed NY & there high taxes, gun laws etc goodby for good & used our feet to change just that many yrs ago now.

Federal laws, taxes etc apply to "all "nationaly( well so far anyways it seems) & im not ever leaving this country of mine - because of the idiot polticans in DC.

Gov Dave dosnt seem not to bad a guy to me- for a poltican & a democrate( but i didnt vote for him).

Gov Dave (and some of his party in the state) it seems to me ( from what i have seen)dont want to upset the federal gov to much because there maybe some back lashs etc to punish us even more then now even. Now he might want to distance himself for those elected democrates in dc- but he as a democrate helped them get elected & are of the same party.

Just saw some state democrates recently complaining they- didnt have any repersentatives in dc , on a federal level from this state.

Ya- because no one voted them in - thats why.

I believe it was the state dems here if im not mistaken to- who just recently defeated - the "no permit or licence needed to carry" concealed weapons also here- because they feared what might happen with the feds.

Gov Daves term limit is up soon- so maybe next time/ next yr that law will be passed to. We shall see.

[Knightia]

But Wyoming's Firearms Freedom Act is harsher than the other states' laws, as it says that any state or federal official who tries to enforce any federal gun law on firearms made and sold in Wyoming could face a $2,000 fine and up to a year in prison.

That can conjure up images of a Wyoming sheriff moving to arrest a U.S. marshal -- or any prosecuting attorney, or a judge -- who tries to enforce a federal gun law on a Wyoming-made firearm

Yes It has some teeth- but will "they" use them.


( and will the fed & its agents- try to make it all null & void ( in a court of law & claim the state has no rights- )

[nodog]

Originally Posted by Fieldmouse

It's the way our founders wanted it and you of all people should know it, nodog. If you're not happy with the way your state has treated you, you have 49 other's to move to along with a few other territories. FYI, 56 other states if your BHO.

No it's not. The second governs the states period. That fact needs to be carved in stone. For a state to go the route of states rights and not enforcement of the countries rights is a mistake because it will undermine the peoples freedom. When the states joined the UNION they agreed to ALL adhere to certain limitations and privileges FOR THE COMMON GOOD. Gun rights is one of them and the states need to take on the federal government.

The Tenth gives the states the power to govern in any way the the FEDERAL doesn't cover. The federal clearly covers gun rights and the states have no power to go against it. If the federal violates the laws they are to be dealt with, not say "well were not going to play with you anymore".

Your way is separation, JUST LIKE EUROPE something our founders didn't want and we fought and killed each other to prove it. World wars weren't fought here, figure that out.