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Old 03-12-2010, 01:29 AM   #1
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Default Federal court approves 'under God' in Pledge of Allegiance

Atheist Michael Newdow challenged 'under God' in the Pledge of Allegiance and 'in God we trust' on US currency as unconstitutional endorsements of religion. But the Ninth US Circuit Court of Appeals said the references to God are grounded in historical philosophy and politics.

In Mr. Newdow’s latest case against “under God” in the Pledge, the Ninth US Circuit Court of Appeals panel ruled, in a 2-to-1 decision, that the schoolroom routine for millions of children is not a violation of the Constitution, but a historical reflection of the Founding Fathers’ beliefs that “serves to unite our vast nation.”
“Not every mention of God or religion by our government or at the government’s direction is a violation of the Establishment Clause,” wrote Judge Carlos Bea for the majority in the opinion that was issued Thursday.
“Without knowing the history behind these words, one might well think the phrase 'one Nation under God' could not be anything but religious,” wrote Judge Bea. “History, however, shows these words have an even broader meaning, one grounded in philosophy and politics and reflecting many events of historical significance.”

There's more to it, here's the link. Bout time people get their head out of there... Reading the history just casually is more than enough to prove what was ruled here. The thing that gets me most is the educational system seems so oblivious to it.
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice...-of-Allegiance

I wonder if these guys have been reading my stuff?
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Old 03-12-2010, 01:43 AM   #2
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one grounded in philosophy and politics and reflecting many events of historical significance.”

This is exactly what should be taught in schools and why!

How can any rational thinking person not see that our constitution isn't proof of an intelligent design is just plain obstinence and harmful to this nation AND these judges all but say it. Our Republic is based on another form of government, one that is older than time.

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one grounded in philosophy and politics and reflecting many events of historical significance.”

This is exactly what should be taught in schools and why!

How can any rational thinking person not see that our constitution isn't proof of an intelligent design is just plain obstinence and harmful to this nation AND these judges all but say it. Our Republic is based on another form of government, one that is older than time.
Yep, thats why God is all over the constitution...oh wait
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Old 03-12-2010, 04:35 AM   #4
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Being an Atheist, I am glad that the word "God," will stay in all documents, it is history. However, I don't know how I feel about putting it on new money, or new documents.
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Old 03-12-2010, 05:24 AM   #5
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The "God" referenced in our coinage, pledge of allegiance, etc., is a sufficiently vague concept that any atheist should have more constructive things to do than get his/her panties in a twist over those references.

We should avoid needlessly offending those who don't agree with us, but we don't need a dictatorship by a minority. Those of us in the majority should have a right to have some things our way.
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Yep, thats why God is all over the constitution...oh wait


I'm sure your familiar with the concept of the trinity. How many branch's of government make up our supreme power?


"done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independence of the United States of America the Twelfth In witness whereof We have hereunto subscribed our Names,"
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This teacher still teaches the true historical facts every chance I get..

What does the white represent on the American flag?

Why did the separatist come to America?

Why do we celebrate St.Patrick's Day?

or Easter or Christmas ?

Why is today's date March 12, 2010 AD ? What is meant by AD?

How many Bible verses are carved in the granite buildings in Washington D.C.? and why ?

Our country has rich Christian roots.

We are not perfect but God seemed to be with us over the ages.

Blessed is the nation whose God is the LORD;Psalm 33;12
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Old 03-12-2010, 05:15 PM   #8
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Being an Atheist, I am glad that the word "God," will stay in all documents, it is history. However, I don't know how I feel about putting it on new money, or new documents.
How would that affect you any way? God hasn't changed; people have!
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Old 03-12-2010, 05:18 PM   #9
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As an atheist I don't have a single problem with religion or lack of religion in government. Either way religion is a non issue for me. The first amendment guarantees the freedom OF religion... not freedom FROM religion. Individuals and groups of individuals are free to worship or not worship as they please.



What I have a problem with is the fact that the Pledge of Allegiance was not originally written as a public prayer with the phrase "under God". It was changed in 1954 after the Knights of Columbus lobbied to have it changed from a patriotic display of allegiance to the greatest country in the world but to a public Christian prayer.

This is an attempt to establish of a specific religion by the government and is unconstitutional in my view.



The original Pledge of Allegiance is as follows.....

I pledge allegiance to my Flag and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
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This is an attempt to establish of a specific religion by the government and is unconstitutional in my view.


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And what specific religion would that be?
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