We've talked enough among ourselves about the pending health care legislation. A vote will take place in the US House and US Senate soon. Get in touch with you US Representative and your US Senator and tell them how you want them to vote and let them know what you think about the legislation. Try to be succinct and focused in your communication. These people have limited time -- don't send them a 5,000 word essay.
I contacted my two Texas Senators -- Hutchison and Cornyn -- and my Texas Third District representative Sam Johnson -- yesterday, although odds are they were already solidly in the thumbs-down camp before I sent my emails to them.
One thought is that the US House may be the true battleground for this legislation. There is a lot of thought that the bill won't pass in the US House, so be sure to let your US representative know what you think, NOW. I particularly urge you to contact your Senator and Representative if they are DEMOCRAT, as it is the DEMOCRATS who vote against this legislation who are most likely to scuttle this legislation.
The pols are well aware of the majority opinion of the sheeple on the matter, the ones trying to ram this career killer down our throats just don't care. The kool aid lemmings are lining up at the cliff edge waiting for the high sign from Pelosi.
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The pols are well aware of the majority opinion of the sheeple on the matter, the ones trying to ram this career killer down our throats just don't care. The kool aid lemmings are lining up at the cliff edge waiting for the high sign from Pelosi.
I'm not sure how to take your comment. If your point is this is a done deal, and both the Democrats in the House and the the Democrats in the Senate are going to vote as directed by Pelosi and Reid, respectively, I would argue that is open for dispute. The margin of the House vote was less than 10 when the House version of the bill was passed lo these many months ago, before the surprising Senator Brown election in Massachusetts, before the strong polling shift that accompanied the outing of the several dirty deals laid into one or the other of the bills to get it passed -- maybe the Senate bill. Don't forget, about mid-December that Democratic senatorial candidate in Mass was up about 20 points in the polls and she got hammered quick when the dirt on the deals made in the deal to buy votes and to appease the labor unions got out. Additionally, the Senate has struck the provision in the House bill that excludes abortion -- seems I've read 9-11 Democrat representatives have PROMISED if language in the House bill does not exclude government funded abortion they aren't going to vote for it -- no how, no way. I think there is a lot of uncertainty in this thing. Don't listen to Nancy Pelosi's confidence and Harry Reid's confidence on this -- they are trying to keep their troops from mutinying to save their own skins. Additionally, truth is not a language they are fluent in. We'll soon know, at any rate.
I was thinking what threat Reid and Pelosi can lay on their subordinates to coerce them to vote as they dictate. The only thing that comes to my mind is withholding champaign funds. On the other hand, as a Democrat representative, knowing I'm going to be defeated in November if I vote for the bill, I'm not sure I'm persuaded by the threat. In fact, if I were such a Democrat representative being forced to do the wrong thing -- for the party and for myself -- I might be inclined to seek out others in my situation -- fellow Democrat representatives -- and discuss making league with them to the effect of telling my leadership "No champaign, finance, and we'll -- as a group -- switch party affiliation now to Republican and run in November as encumbants, as Republicans, and as people who voted against this unpopular bill." Well, I'm probably dreaming. Things don't seem to work that way commonly in politics. Still, there have to be some Democrats who feel the party has been hijacked by left wing ideologues and don't feel loyalty to that left wing ideology.
I bet it passes and we move on to bigger things and the Dem's win a battle that they can wear on their sleeves and TV ads in the next election.
Everyone will find out the real story on the plan and it is shutting down the atrocities being committed by the insurance companies and we will all be better off in the end.
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I'm not sure how to take your comment. If your point is this is a done deal, and both the Democrats in the House and the the Democrats in the Senate are going to vote as directed by Pelosi and Reid, respectively, I would argue that is open for dispute. The margin of the House vote was less than 10 when the House version of the bill was passed lo these many months ago, before the surprising Senator Brown election in Massachusetts, before the strong polling shift that accompanied the outing of the several dirty deals laid into one or the other of the bills to get it passed -- maybe the Senate bill. Don't forget, about mid-December that Democratic senatorial candidate in Mass was up about 20 points in the polls and she got hammered quick when the dirt on the deals made in the deal to buy votes and to appease the labor unions got out. Additionally, the Senate has struck the provision in the House bill that excludes abortion -- seems I've read 9-11 Democrat representatives have PROMISED if language in the House bill does not exclude government funded abortion they aren't going to vote for it -- no how, no way. I think there is a lot of uncertainty in this thing. Don't listen to Nancy Pelosi's confidence and Harry Reid's confidence on this -- they are trying to keep their troops from mutinying to save their own skins. Additionally, truth is not a language they are fluent in. We'll soon know, at any rate.
I was thinking what threat Reid and Pelosi can lay on their subordinates to coerce them to vote as they dictate. The only thing that comes to my mind is withholding champaign funds. On the other hand, as a Democrat representative, knowing I'm going to be defeated in November if I vote for the bill, I'm not sure I'm persuaded by the threat. In fact, if I were such a Democrat representative being forced to do the wrong thing -- for the party and for myself -- I might be inclined to seek out others in my situation -- fellow Democrat representatives -- and discuss making league with them to the effect of telling my leadership "No champaign, finance, and we'll -- as a group -- switch party affiliation now to Republican and run in November as encumbants, as Republicans, and as people who voted against this unpopular bill." Well, I'm probably dreaming. Things don't seem to work that way commonly in politics. Still, there have to be some Democrats who feel the party has been hijacked by left wing ideologues and don't feel loyalty to that left wing ideology.
My observation is that the libtard fools will pass some kind of bill, any kind, thinking that they'll later amend it to include any parts that may have held it up until now.They know they have the power to do it, and they seem completely bent on passing something, even if it means the demise of their power. Their passion for this issue borders on suicidal, I haven't seen this kind of fervor for unpopular legislation since the sixties. It doesn't even seem to matter to them what damage it does to their party, they're bound and determined to grind the GOP into the dust just to spite them regardless of cost or loss. I'm not quite old enough to remember the rancor over the Civil Rights Act of '65, but I'm told that it rivaled the current state of affairs with the health care issue. Civil rights prevailed because at the end of the day the majority came to realize that it was really the right thing to do, but guaranteed health care just simply isn't in the same class of moral correctness as civil rights.
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Everyone will find out the real story on the plan and it is shutting down the atrocities being committed by the insurance companies and we will all be better off in the end.
Yeah, like the atrocities that your government is planning, and commiting, is sooooo much better!! Inflation out the wazoo, just around the corner! Spend, baby spend. The Dems. just can't spend enough fast enough!!
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I bet it passes and we move on to bigger things and the Dem's win a battle that they can wear on their sleeves and TV ads in the next election.
As an alternate vision. Where will Obama be after the Health Care bill is defeated? Will he be in the condition of a lame duck president -- lacking power, not really relevant, kind of side tracked? Where will Harry Reid be? I mean we already all know he is a lame duck -- no way he is being reelected in November. What about Nancy Pelosi? When this goes down, are her troops going to mutiny and reduce her to a powerless cipher after they defy her will? What will become of the Democrats more generally? Their $800 B "stimulus" package which was really just a sugar daddy deal for Democrat pet projects hasn't helped the economy much. What else have those clown accomplished? It isn't looking pretty for Democrats.
The House Democrats need to pass the already passed Senate Bill now and send it to the President for his signature. The Democrats have spent the last year trying to fix one of the most important and intractable problems the country faces, an unsustainable health care system, and the worst possible thing they could do would be to give up, admit defeat and allow a huge victory to the Republicans for their nihilistic and obstructionist behavior. The Democrats may lose seats in November if they pass health care legislation but they will anyway if the Republicans can show that the Democrats are ineffective and can not pass legislation seen as important to the nation. If the Democrats do lose seats in November they will at least have had the satisfaction of defeating the Republicans on the health care issue.
And it is just possible that Democratic losses will not be so bad. Many voters may admire the Democrats for accomplishing what they set out to do and punish the Republicans who more and more seem to be acting out of anger and resentment that Barrack Obama, and not one of them, is President. As the months go by and people realize the world is not coming to an end because health care legislation was passed it may not even be a major issue in November.
Talk is cheap . . .
