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Invite Republicans in on the Healthcare discussion????
First off, why now and not in the beginning? Well, we all know why that is.
Now for what is going on in my head about this issue. I read in the paper, this morning that Obama insists on discussing the Senate bill and the House bill. My question is; Why? His own party couldn’t pass it, so why drag it in front of the Republicans in hope they might jump on board?
Will this meeting be nothing but Obama trying to paint the Republicans as obstructionists and hope America is too stupid to not see what he is doing ? Or does Obama really intend on going through the thousands of pages and try to remove and fix the problems in the bill? I think the latter is impossible, but ill reserve the notion that it could be legit. What do you fine folks think about this issue?
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Why? Obviously to make political hay. I suggest the Republicans tread carefully. Frankly, if I were a Republican in congress I wouldn't attend the meeting. I would say (1) I've read the bill, (2) it sucks, (3) it sucks so bad it cannot be remedied, (4) I will vote against the bill if it comes to a vote again, and (5) the way forward for healthcare reform is to start from scratch.
I saw a spot on MSNBC last night where a smarmy woman with short hair said much of what the Republicans want is in the bill! For example, the Republicans (1 Republican, whose name escapes me now, I wonder if he is acknowledged by all Republicans to speak for them? both house and senate Republicans?) want the option for states to opt out. The bill includes a provision for states to propose a plan that the federal government will then review and rule thumbs up/thumbs down whether their plan cuts it or not. I don't view that as answering to this Republican requirement -- opt out if you write a plan that the administration agrees passes their muster. The Republicans want tort reform. The bill includes a provision to set up a review panel on tort reform. Oh, yah, like that provides much to be comfortable with! I don't think either of those two examples provide what the Republicans want -- very sketchy, thin provisions with mighty obvious strings attached.
The premise that the healthcare bill can be rescued is wrong. Republicans should not countenance moving forwards and spending time on this premise. Time to scrap it and start over. The American people have spoken on this pretty plainly -- in the falling poll numbers for Obama and in the votes for Brown in Massachusetts. If I were a Republican I would think about the clear message the people are delivering.
I think he has two ways of looking at it, one if he can't get enough Republicans on board he has someone to blame it on, second his back is up against the wall and he's going to attempt to look like he's reaching across the isle.
Republicans have had a health care package of their own, but the Democraps wouldn't want to pass anything the Republicans have even if it's a good bill. And to be completely honest the Republicans are just as hard headed about partisan politics as the Democraps. It's all about politics, the people come second, we need to remind them of that next election. It's time to clean house, on both sides.
Healthcare is very low on the list or worries in America. Why do anything at all when 85% in America have coverage, overwhelmingly love their healthcare and the majority without healthcare are without it by choice?
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Healthcare is very low on the list or worries in America. Why do anything at all when 85% in America have coverage, overwhelmingly love their healthcare and the majority without healthcare are without it by choice?
I agree. Certainly there is not any heavy burden on the Republicans to cooperate and fix this bill. They weren't invited to the table to start with. The bill is too flawed to fix. Evidence for these flaws are all the patent bribes that had to be offered to Democrats to get them to vote for it -- the Lousianna Purchase, the Nebraska deal, how about the Florida Medicare/Medicaid cap exclusion, the special deal for unions, and who knows what other dirt buried in the thousands of pages of deliberately obfuscatory language.
It will be a hard sale for Obama to say "We the Democrats brought this thing to the finish line and it failed because of the Republicans!" What, they couldn't make this bill palatable to one single Republican Senator of 41? That tells you something. A bigger question, of course is can they make it palatable to the Democrats who have already voted for it.
You know, I think I just stumbled onto the rationale for Obama's meeting with Republicans. It really isn't about getting the Republicans on board, it is more about keeping the Democrats on board. With no other changes, he is going to lose Democratic votes on the healthcare bill -- just by virtue of the defeat in Massachusetts. He can't pass his bill because Democrats have defected. This ruse is more about persuading these fallen Democrats to return to the fold, I think. I don't see the end game where that comes from this conference, but perhaps Obama feels he has nothing to lose and perhaps something to gain. Maybe the end game is to make Republicans look bad and spook the Democrats to vote with Obama.
It is all a ruse, they have no intention of starting from scratch. The issue has everything to do with government intervention and control. Like the Rev touched on. There are people that must be voted out on both sides. It is time to stop this progressive attack on our Country and our Constitution.
In my previous post I think I saw the play. The conference is not about getting Republican support, it is theater to make the Republicans look bad in the main stream media and in the liberal cable shows and then Nancy Pelosi can trot these sound bites out and trump up a case for her Democrats to stay on the boat. It doesn't matter how the people respond to or view the conference, it matters if there are few sound bites that can be taken and pushed on the Democrats who are wavering.
I saw an article by Dick Morris on this subject. He urged the Republicans to play this well and it could turn out like a town meeting that goes poorly for the Democrats. I think he urges them to call out all the bad things in the bill.
I wonder why Obama is the guy who will be running the show. Shouldn't it be appropriate Democratic committee chairs from the House and the Senate who are meeting with the Republicans? After all, Obama has no power or authority to tweek legislation. Why waste your time jawing with someone who isn't the decision maker?
He will listen to the right for good looks, then they will shove the POS bill through with 51 votes. If they do, they are done in Nov and the new congress can bury this mess where it belongs, in the barnyard with the rest of the BS.
Originally Posted by Fieldmouse Healthcare is very low on the list or worries in America. Why do anything at all when 85% in America have coverage, overwhelmingly love their healthcare and the majority without healthcare are without it by choice?
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I agree.
Lol, your hero, Glen Beck just listed rising health care and insurance costs as one of 20 things that could serious financial and economic fallout in America. He equated with it with the national deficit and the failure of social security.
Apparently he doesn't quite view the issue as something that should be addressed by way of a popularity vote...by those who are NOT the ones footing the bill for the rising costs, no less.
Lol, you two are too funny. Alsatian insists that it should be addressed in "baby steps" by way of "legislation." Only problem is he can't quite say how to do that when asked logical questions.
And of course, FM, well, FM love simple things, so saying Americans "love" their health care is right up his alley. He'll just sort of make it up as he goes along (see below).
Oh, and 85% "love" their healthcare? Source please? Before it was something like 73% and that was just satisfaction, not "love". I guess love is in the air, eh?
"and the majority without healthcare are without it by choice?"
Can you prove that the majority of Americans without health insurance are without health insurance by choice? By any credible source?
Lol, didn't think so. But what the heck. Alsatian "agrees," right? So what else matters?
Invite Republicans in on the Healthcare discussion????
