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Old 02-08-2010, 08:36 AM   #1
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More evidence that throwing money at the problem isn't the answer. School vouchers are.

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President Obama's fiscal 2011 budget calls for a 9% increase in federal education spending, and he has famously said that the money should go to "what works" in education. So he ought to take another look at Milwaukee, where the nation's oldest and largest publicly funded school voucher program is showing academic gains.
A report released last week by School Choice Wisconsin, an advocacy group, finds that between 2003 and 2008 students in the Milwaukee Parental Choice Program had a significantly higher graduation rate than students in Milwaukee Public Schools.
"Had MPS graduation rates equalled those for MPCP students in the classes of 2003 through 2008, the number of MPS graduates would have been about 18 percent higher," writes John Robert Warren of the University of Minnesota. "That higher rate would have resulted in 3,352 more MPS graduates during the 2003-2008 years."
In 2008 the graduation rate for voucher students was 77% versus 65% for the nonvoucher students, though the latter receives $14,000 per pupil in taxpayer support, or more than double the $6,400 per pupil that voucher students receive in public funding.
The Milwaukee voucher program serves more than 21,000 children in 111 private schools, so nearly 20% more graduates mean a lot fewer kids destined for failure without the credential of a high school diploma. The finding is all the more significant because students who receive vouchers must, by law, come from low-income families, while their counterparts in public schools come from a broader range of economic backgrounds.
Vouchers are of course taboo among most Democrats, and Mr. Obama has done nothing to stop Congress from killing the small but successful voucher program for poor families in Washington, D.C. The Milwaukee program has survived for 20 years despite ferocious political opposition, and it would have died long ago if parents didn't believe their children were better off for it.
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FM, if you are going to post a artical on the school system you should spell education correctly in the subject box LOL
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Old 02-08-2010, 09:19 AM   #4
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They should look at the results of the vouchers in DC as well. the Unions got those canned. Or maybe google the NAACP AND Unions stepping in and raising hell about the closing down of some of the worst schools in some inner cities. It bordering and criminal and absolutely sad how the Dem party and their allies suppress so many folks and yet claim they are helping. The saddest part is people that are brainwashed enough to believe.


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It is probably the case that most students who get vouchers go to Catholic parochial schools. I graduated from a Jesuit run Catholic high school and believe that the Catholic schools are to be lauded for their strict discipline and academic rigor that often produces superior results with less resources compared to the public schools. It should be remembered though that parochial schools are private schools and do not have the obligation that the public schools have of providing an education to every student. Parochial schools do not have to accept every student who applies and they do not have to keep every student that they enroll. My youngest son went to a fairly exclusive Catholic school for a year. Before he was accepted he had to take an IQ test, even though he was only six years old, to be sure he could meet their standards. And, when he once let the ADHD that afflicted him at the time cause a disruption in class it was made clear to me that his continued enrollment depended on no further such incidents occurring.

Since Catholic schools can choose the students with the highest IQs and not accept the dullards as well as being able to retain the best performers and send the less able back to the public schools it is not surprising that their students perform better on standardized tests and have higher graduation rates than public schools who essentially have to take whoever shows up on their doorstep.
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Since Catholic schools can choose the students with the highest IQs...
Are all voucher schools Catholic run? If not, what percentage of them are?

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Basing a lot on a "probably". I'd be curious to know the facts.
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What works in education?

There is a simple place of beginning.

DISCIPLINE

No change in methodology or switching to a voucher system will work unless that basic missing link is implemented.

A teacer can't teach and a kid can't learn without it. It is sorely lacking.
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Old 02-08-2010, 06:30 PM   #9
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What works in education?

There is a simple place of beginning.

DISCIPLINE

No change in methodology or switching to a voucher system will work unless that basic missing link is implemented.

A teacer can't teach and a kid can't learn without it. It is sorely lacking.
Man did you hit the nail on the head!! I deal with adults who have no business being out of high school and are totally unprepared for "higher education." It's interesting to see what happens when the discipline is applied. I just wish someone applied it many years earlier.
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It is probably the case that most students who get vouchers go to Catholic parochial schools. I graduated from a Jesuit run Catholic high school and believe that the Catholic schools are to be lauded for their strict discipline and academic rigor that often produces superior results with less resources compared to the public schools. It should be remembered though that parochial schools are private schools and do not have the obligation that the public schools have of providing an education to every student. Parochial schools do not have to accept every student who applies and they do not have to keep every student that they enroll. My youngest son went to a fairly exclusive Catholic school for a year. Before he was accepted he had to take an IQ test, even though he was only six years old, to be sure he could meet their standards. And, when he once let the ADHD that afflicted him at the time cause a disruption in class it was made clear to me that his continued enrollment depended on no further such incidents occurring.

Since Catholic schools can choose the students with the highest IQs and not accept the dullards as well as being able to retain the best performers and send the less able back to the public schools it is not surprising that their students perform better on standardized tests and have higher graduation rates than public schools who essentially have to take whoever shows up on their doorstep.
The Catholic schools in our diocese do NOT require an IQ test for admission. All that is required is that the parents desire a Catholic school education. You don't even have to be Catholic, although non-Catholics are NOT excused from religious instruction or mandatory mass attendance.

Parents must pay tuition but there are scholarships for parents who can show genuine need. There are dress codes (uniforms are required) and behavioral standards are high. Academic standards are also high and it is possible to flunk out if a student does not meet the academic or behavioral standards.

That said, I attended a public school from kindergarten through high school and never got less than the highest grade. I earned a full academic scholarship to college where I am doing the same kind of work. Many of my fellow students did not do very well at all. Although they graduated, they are virtually illiterate, even though their teachers genuinely tried to inflict an education on them, up to the point where it was obviously wasted effort.

Why the difference? My mother had high expectations for my academic performance and my behavior. Failure to meet her standards resulted in the application of a leather belt to my little tail. I loved my mother and I feared that belt. And I understood that the discipline was for my benefit and that she did it because she loved me.

I keep pointing this out. It's the parents. It's all up to the parents.



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