Clinton's ex adminstration members admited that he would have died under the Canadia system he so proudly touts. Now we see the Canadia politicians getting medical treatment in the U.S.A. why is that if it is such a great system?
Well, tell that to Danny Williams, premier of the Canadian province of Newfoundland and Labrador.
The popular 59-year-old politician has discovered that nothing is for free. He's somewhere in the US today -- prepping for heart surgery.
Seems the procedure he needs simply isn't available in Newfoundland -- at any price.
And, with his own health on the line, he prefers to put his trust in the "second-rate, profit-driven health-care behemoth" south of the St. Lawrence, rather than try a hospital in Canada.
"Ultimately, we have to be the gatekeepers of our own health," said Williams' deputy premier, "and he has taken medical advice from a number of different sources,"
Williams, he added, "is doing what's best for him."
Precisely.
Last summer, President Obama -- who still hopes to overhaul American health-care -- defended the Canadian system as one that "works for Canada."
Not for all Canadians, apparently.
Certainly not those well-connected pols, who -- like Danny Williams -- can afford better health care in the good ol' US of A.
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I got an idea, when Michael Moore finally has his coronary, lets send him to Canada or Cuba for treatment. I bet a million dollars agianst a hole in a donute that Moore will get his heart surgery here.
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This can't be true. VC says Canada's system is the best.
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He's probably coming to the the US because he can find some better doctors here who won't work with any national or private health plan. These doctors would earn diddly from any health plan compared to what they could make by not accepting insurance. We have rich people in our own country who don't bother to get health insurance like the rest of us have to because they know they could get better service and better doctors by paying the bills out of their own pockets. Why have the insurance companies or government make decisions for them on what treatment they can get and what doctors they can see?? The rest of us peeons don't have such choices. Either we enroll in some kind of healthcare plan or we won't get access to any doctors because we won't be able to afford them anyway. I have NO doubt that the doctor this Canadian official will be seeing is not on any of our American health plans. We would probably have as little chance of being treated by him in this country as any ordinary Canadian would in their own. So some can spin this story any way they want, but our current system here is little if any better for the average American as the Canadian system is to the average Canadian.
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He's probably coming to the the US because he can find some better doctors here who won't work with any national or private health plan. These doctors would earn diddly from any health plan compared to what they could make by not accepting insurance. We have rich people in our own country who don't bother to get health insurance like the rest of us have to because they know they could get better service and better doctors by paying the bills out of their own pockets. Why have the insurance companies or government make decisions for them on what treatment they can get and what doctors they can see?? The rest of us peeons don't have such choices. Either we enroll in some kind of healthcare plan or we won't get access to any doctors because we won't be able to afford them anyway. I have NO doubt that the doctor this Canadian official will be seeing is not on any of our American health plans. We would probably have as little chance of being treated by him in this country as any ordinary Canadian would in their own. So some can spin this story any way they want, but our current system here is little if any better for the average American as the Canadian system is to the average Canadian.
Are you suggesting its better for us to just suck it up and be told to eat cake? When we go social in respects to healthcare, where will these superior, greedy doctors, who do the best job go. In lies the crux. Competition breeds the best. When all competition is removed, there will be no incentive. But going by your premise, we still attract better Dr. here in the U.S.. I ran track in college, and we had several Canadians on our team. They were Pre med with me. I went in to Ecology and they continued on in Med School. Now they are Doctors in the U.S.. All of them are general practitioners. Why would they insist on staying in America, when all their family is in Canada? If you premise is correct, they should have equal incentive to be low end Doctors in Canada.
Something else that I felt was telling about the Canadia system, as reflected through the Canadians I know. One of the above mentioned had a knee problem at the end of the outdoor season. He blew it out throwing Javalin at the Outdoor national meet. The following day, he left to go home for the summer. When he returned for the Fall semester, he still couldnt walk. He explained to me that he went into the general Doc. who simply said, you need to see a specialist. So he was placed on a list and was told that he might be seen within a month. By that timie, he had already came back to America, got seen and his knee fixed in less than two weeks. He explained that he could have probably been seen in Canada in a month, but would have been put on another longer list list for an MRI, then put on another list to get his surgery. I wont say I know every thing about the Canadian system, but from what Ive heard, No thanks.
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You still haven't addressed the issue of whether YOU would be able to see this terrific doctor that this Canadian official will be seeing here in the good ole USA and whether YOUR insurance plan would cover even a fraction of his charges. That is the real issue here and not the Canadians you knew while you were in pre-med. I never claimed that their system was better, I only know that ours stinks bad enough.
Did you ever think that we have an insanely amount more doctors and technology in the US and he might be searching for the best doctor.
I have a good friend who went to Canada about 6-7 years ago to get brain surgery for epilepsy. He went there because more than a few doctors here told him for his condition the best doctor was in Canada. He got the surgery, was forced to mortgage his house for about $40,000 and now he is back home a little better but by no means healed.
Wonder what they charged him for the surgery in the US?
I bet he'd say his life is worth more than he was charged.
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I've never been turned away from a hospital, nor has any member of my family. My insurance plan has covered a whole range of heart, cancer, and back/vertebra issues with coworkers. One had to make frequent trips to the Mayo clinic to see specialists.
BTW, my plan recently became an hra plan. So this year, it will cost me nothing only $17 per month. My employer licks up the first $2000 deductible. Judging by my family's health history, I will not need to pay anything else. If we have more serious issues, then I could end up paying another $2000 myself. Everything after that is covered.
So, there some anecdotal evidence for you about our health care system.
Rott Row. Canadian Politician is in America getting heart surgery. Why???
