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Old 11-27-2009, 02:47 PM   #1
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Default What's wrong with the educational system?

I had some discussions this afternoon with some educators. I asked them that question. These were public school educators.
Almost all of them told me that the biggest problem they see day to day is discipline.

One guy said it this way, "The teachers can't and the parents won't".

Interesting.
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Old 11-27-2009, 03:04 PM   #2
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I think that's part of it, discipline and a society that enables the student's conduct. I taught an evidence class at one of our local colleges and I would get 60 students who had no business being graduated from high school, much less in an upper division college class. I'd lose half when I announced I gave essay exams (they had never written one), another quarter after the first test. If I had graded for English I would have lost all but about one successful student. Teaching content and curriculum has a lot to do with it too. Public schools teach dumbed down cr-p in many areas. Here, many high school teachers took their classes to pro-gay marriage rallies during school time, .... and their administrators LET them!!! I don't care which side of the argument you favor, it's not an event where I want them to use school time.
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Old 11-27-2009, 08:57 PM   #3
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I don't think it's totally broken, just what seems to make the news...

I had a great public education IMO. well a pretty good one anyway.
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Old 11-27-2009, 09:00 PM   #4
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Our social problems bleed into the classroom. Its only natural.

Once the family unit is discarded, the rest is a steady downward spiral.

Today we try to fill in the fractured areas by dichotomizing all things into left and right...instead of analyzing what is best for society as a whole. Analysis of what is right for Americans as opposed to what is right for the "party" leads always back to the need for strong families. That is where we need to start if we are to improve education: Fix the family and the school's problems will melt away in the process.

Until then, you'll have nothing but finger-pointing from teachers and parents.
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Old 11-27-2009, 09:28 PM   #5
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I happen to be in high school, and the biggest issue I see is the maturity of many kids. Its not that the teachers don't try, the students don't apply themselves, and they don't care what happens to their lives.
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Old 11-28-2009, 03:04 AM   #6
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Our social problems bleed into the classroom. Its only natural.

Once the family unit is discarded, the rest is a steady downward spiral.

Today we try to fill in the fractured areas by dichotomizing all things into left and right...instead of analyzing what is best for society as a whole. Analysis of what is right for Americans as opposed to what is right for the "party" leads always back to the need for strong families. That is where we need to start if we are to improve education: Fix the family and the school's problems will melt away in the process.

Until then, you'll have nothing but finger-pointing from teachers and parents.
I couldn't agree more. I just don't have a clue as to how to fix the family. I think the family is broken for some very complex reasons...probably beginning with issues like selfishness. We are a spoiled society.
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I'd say it's the lack of taking responsibility. Who's the adult? Who's supposed to be the trained professional TEACHER? The blame game is so old it's turned to dust.

I've heard for years it was the lack of money and tax's have gone way up. Now the parents need to work more just to pay the tax and have less time with the kids and the system blames the parents again.

Isn't maintaining discipline something these professionals are supposed to be trained in? Stop blaming the parents and the kids if you can't do the job your paid by the same to do. Your job is to teach, teach or do the parents a favor and find something your good at doing.

Kids are kids and they all need the same thing, someone who's really interested in them.
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Our social problems bleed into the classroom. Its only natural.

Once the family unit is discarded, the rest is a steady downward spiral.

Today we try to fill in the fractured areas by dichotomizing all things into left and right...instead of analyzing what is best for society as a whole. Analysis of what is right for Americans as opposed to what is right for the "party" leads always back to the need for strong families. That is where we need to start if we are to improve education: Fix the family and the school's problems will melt away in the process.

Until then, you'll have nothing but finger-pointing from teachers and parents.
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Old 11-28-2009, 04:31 PM   #9
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I'd say it's the lack of taking responsibility. Who's the adult? Who's supposed to be the trained professional TEACHER? The blame game is so old it's turned to dust....Isn't maintaining discipline something these professionals are supposed to be trained in? Stop blaming the parents and the kids if you can't do the job your paid by the same to do. Your job is to teach, teach or do the parents a favor and find something your good at doing.
I agree to a large extent, teachers DO get paid to deal with disciplinary issues. The only problem is their administrators fail to back up what many teachers would like to do and their bosses are politicians. A lot of parents don't act like MY dad, he didn't care WHAT the teacher said, the fact he said anything was enough for him and I was in BIG trouble! They allow things and activities in schools today we never dreamt of, ...... of course that was way back..........oh, well.
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Old 11-28-2009, 09:04 PM   #10
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I do not blame the teachers, although I believe that our collective parental attitude and the strong teachers unions has led to a shortage of motivated, dedicated people willing to teach. Do some research and look at the average college GPA for the average American teacher. It will be an eye opener for you.

America is deep with talented teachers, always has been...we need to foster the proper environment and they will come forward (away from the other careers that now attract them) and teach our kids.
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