I had occasion to hear an oratory by one of his physician guests.
His main point? That saddling the American employer with the payment and logistics of providing health care for the average American is one of the primary reasons for employee/patient apathy as to the cost of health care in America....that the further the patient is detached from the full bill and the sharing of costs, the easier it is to foster rising prices for health care. (Gee, where have we heard that before?)
Of course, he's dead nuts on the money...as was I.
Oh, and Beck, the Amazing Opinionator, was in full agreement.
So were back to outlawing employer paid bennifits again I see VC. What a great idea.
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The point is valid, despite how you may "feel" about employers providing your health care, and despite the ever-increasing costs and how uncompetitive and at times unprofitable it makes them.
The fact of the matter is that the physician is right, regardless of whether or not he was talking about YOU (the average American employee) having to actually be part of the cost sharing process directly. Furthermore, Beck was right in agreeing with the physician's point, and of course I brilliantly made the same analysis and came to the same conclusion on the board years ago. Of course, you do realize that Beck would NEVER have allowed such a thing to be said aloud on his program without it being planned in advanced and blessed by way of his agreement. Perhaps you should write to Beck and express how you feel about "outlawing" (as you so eloquently twisted it) the employer-eats-the-cost-no-matter-what system we now have.
The status quo ain't going to fly anymore. Change IS going to happen and the only way for that change to be appropriately structured is for everyone, including the employee who has had the liberty to remain fat, dumb, and apathetic under the present system, to wake up and smell the coffee.
The alternative is to keep demanding the status quo...and you'll have what is being shoved up your nose right now by the Obama administration. You tell me which makes more sense.
Imagine if employers were banned from offering health benefits. And then imagine if you had real competition in health care. Ala carte if you will. Wonder if we would get the real price for a tylenol at a hospitial?
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Imagine if employers were banned from offering health benefits. And then imagine if you had real competition in health care. Ala carte if you will. Wonder if we would get the real price for a tylenol at a hospitial?
Stop with the silly talk Mark. You just took away all the controle.
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The really sad thing is that we have had so very little real talk on this subject so far.
Special interests, which in this case includes attorneys, providers, insurers, AARP, and even the US government have all provided layers of distortion. There has been very little concern for the employers, the self-employed, and uninsured.
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Your right. No one is actually trying to tackle the problem. Everyone who is involved right now has some special interest. That is why no Healthcare bill will ever get passed. And I for one, hope no bill gets passed. I hope that smaller measures are passed to address the problems in the system, rather than throwing out the baby with the bath water. But that will never happen. No one will reep the benefits, other than the American citizens. Politics will never stand for that.
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VC, I watched the program and employer provided health insurance is hardly at the top of the list when it comes to rising cost of healthcare. By far it's government involvement that is the number one cost factor. Whether it's government mandates, the 1950s law that restricts competition accross statelines or the big lie of medicare and medicaid that will only pay 70 cents on the dollar when it comes to their own healthcare bill. Did you all catch the doctor that pointed out that judgement against the government for pain and suffering is capped but not for private companies. Are you also aware the bill that got passed out of the house does away with state caps on lawsuits if they are tro participate in the plan?
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VC, I watched the program and employer provided health insurance is hardly at the top of the list when it comes to rising cost of healthcare.
Of course, you are well aware that I never said that it was "at the top of the list." I do however stand by my statement that it is one of the primary reasons...because it is. When the end user is allowed to remain oblivious to the actual and total costs, the providers are given free hand to keep ratcheting up the price. And yes, of course there are other factors to be addressed when addressing the ever-increasing costs....few of which seem to have been addressed as of this moment in time.
The burden of health care should be removed immediately from the shoulders of American employers. Doing so would go a long way toward providing truer cost transparency and immediate participation in a more competitive process by providers.
But since the employer-pays-it-for-me process is so embedded in the American psyche, I won't stand on one leg waiting for that to happen. That does not change the fact that not only does it no longer make sense, it actually contributes to rising costs.
So we'll continue to play games with semantics among the special interests who have lined up to try to gain even more control over the pricing...to their favor and at the expense of the average American and American employer...and on and on it goes.
Of course, you are well aware that I never said that it was "at the top of the list." I do however stand by my statement that it is one of the primary reasons...because it is.
Hardly, if anything it is covering up for the government's role than anything else.
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The burden of health care should be removed immediately from the shoulders of American employers. Doing so would go a long way toward providing truer cost transparency and immediate participation in a more competitive process by providers.
As long as the government mandates what must be covered and restricts who can sell insurance in which states, you'll never get anywhere. There are 1300 insurance companies in America but you can't buy from however you choose and what ever package you wish to pay for.
It amazes me that no where in the Constitution is the power granted to the federal government to provide healthcare. In fact, Nancy Polosi not only avoided the question when asked but declared it not a serious question. Clayburn or Clayton, the third in charge Dem in the house admitted most what they do isn't authorized by the Constitution. The one and only part in the constitution is inter-state commerce but they refuse to eliminate the federal law that is restricting true competition. That would go a lot farther than out law employer paid healthcare for reducing costs.
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John Adams “The moment the idea is admitted into society that property is not as sacred as the laws of God, and that there is not a force of law and public justice to protect it, anarchy and tyranny commence.”
Ronald Reagan: 'Everybody that is for abortion has already been born'
"I never said I was worth it. I only said I wouldn't do it for less " William F. Buckley Jr.
The physicians on Glenn Beck...
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