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Old 10-29-2009, 04:39 PM   #1
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Default Tax Payers Paid $24,000 Per clunker.

Clunkers: Taxpayers paid $24,000 per car
Auto sales analysts at Edmunds.com say the pricey program resulted in relatively few additional car sales.

By Peter Valdes-Dapena, CNNMoney.com senior writer
Last Updated: October 29, 2009: 5:58 PM ET


NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- A total of 690,000 new vehicles were sold under the Cash for Clunkers program last summer, but only 125,000 of those were vehicles that would not have been sold anyway, according to an analysis released Wednesday by the automotive Web site Edmunds.com.

Still, auto sales contributed heavily to the economy's expansion in the third quarter, adding 1.7 percentage points to the nation's gross domestic product growth.

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The Cash for Clunkers program gave car buyers rebates of up to $4,500 if they traded in less fuel-efficient vehicles for new vehicles that met certain fuel economy requirements. A total of $3 billion was allotted for those rebates.

The average rebate was $4,000. But the overwhelming majority of sales would have taken place anyway at some time in the last half of 2009, according to Edmunds.com. That means the government ended up spending about $24,000 each for those 125,000 additional vehicle sales.

"It is unfortunate that Edmunds.com has had nothing but negative things to say about a wildly successful program that sold nearly 250,000 cars in its first four days alone," said Bill Adams, spokesman for the Department of Transportation. "There can be no doubt that CARS drummed up more business for car dealers at a time when they needed help the most."

In order to determine whether these sales would have happened anyway, Edmunds.com analysts looked at sales of luxury cars and other vehicles not included under the Clunkers program.

Using traditional relationships between sales volumes of those vehicles and the types of vehicles sold under Cash for Clunkers, Edmunds.com projected what sales would normally have been during the Cash for Clunkers period and in the weeks after.

Edmunds.com's estimate of the ultimate sales increase generally matches what industry experts had thought, said George Pipas, a sales analyst with Ford Motor Co (F, Fortune 500). But that misses the point, he said.

"The whole purpose of the program was to provide some kind of catalyst to kick-start the economy," he said, "and by all accounts the extra production that was added this year was a boost to the economy."

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Ford was one of the biggest proponents of the Cash for Clunkers program and several Ford models were among the top sellers under the program.

While auto sales in September were hurt because auto dealership inventories were drained of products by the program, sales this month are already back on track or better, Pipas said. "I think the October sales results will show Clunkers is behind us and there's no more payback or inventories issues."

Emunds.com's projection indicates that, without Cash for Clunkers, October's sales increase would be even higher.

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First Published: October 28, 2009: 4:52 PM ET

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Old 10-29-2009, 07:07 PM   #2
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Look on the bright side it got 690,000 Obama bumper stickers off the road!
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This thread needs to be deleted because VC will tell you this program was a success.
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This thread needs to be deleted because VC will tell you this program was a success.

VC should be on the Obama administration, seems he's right in line with that type of mindset! (backwards)
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Another BS program proving that we're headed for disaster.

Watching this will be the most important 2 hours you could spend right now, because your well being in the future depends on being informed and preparing for it. I have never seen everything laid out so simply, and tied together so well about this country's future than this guy does, and it is ALARMING on a defcon 5 level.

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Old 10-30-2009, 05:48 AM   #6
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Not many cars and trucks going off the lots right now. Chevy is offering bring new purchases back within 30 days for a no questions asked return and now they are pushing that one to the end of the year. Looks to me like Ford is doing OK since the gooberment didn't get their tentacles into their business at least not yet.
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Old 10-30-2009, 07:56 AM   #7
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I can't believe I am reading this.

Obama has just given the biggest tax break in the modern history of our country.

All I ever read on here is Republican's saying tax cuts, tax cuts, tax cuts

You get the tax cuts from a Dem and you immediately change.

Simply amazing!!!!!

Give it up already, it was an enormous success that sparked the economy and now we are growing again.
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I can't believe I am reading this.

Obama has just given the biggest tax break in the modern history of our country.

All I ever read on here is Republican's saying tax cuts, tax cuts, tax cuts

You get the tax cuts from a Dem and you immediately change.

Simply amazing!!!!!

Give it up already, it was an enormous success that sparked the economy and now we are growing again.
Your either kidding or a troll. We got a tax break by taking everyones tax dollars and giving it out to a very few, with far less return than what was spent. Add to that the destruction of a resource that was taken from those less fortunate (there is a used car industry for a reason, not everyone can afford a new vehicle). And you call that a tax break? Good luck when you graduate high school. I would suggest you take some economic classes, if you go to college. I would not recommend it as your major though.
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Medic, medic. WillPA is in dire need of assistance. Appears to be Obama Kool-Aid poisoning.
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Old 10-30-2009, 02:44 PM   #10
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bamma?? Tax breaks??? In the same sentence? that is insane. I sure as hell have not seen any tax breaks.
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