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Old 09-19-2009, 05:04 AM   #1
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Cool Can you buy lottery tickets with food stamps in Michigan?

In Michigan, the Bridge card is in lieu of food stamps. They put money on it once a month and you use it like a debit card.

Not only can you buy ice and fancy cakes with it, but you can also buy lottery tickets. Isn't that thoughtful of our liberal socialist government?


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Even we sheep find that weird
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Old 09-19-2009, 05:31 AM   #2
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Quit looking down on these poor folks who find themselves in such a situtation. How do you know they weren't buying lottery tickets as a little gift to go along with the cake and ice cream. I think your a little over the top right now DLG.
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Old 09-19-2009, 08:15 AM   #3
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Using welfare to purchase lottery tickets is a slap in the face to every taxpayer out there.

On the other hand, you're misinterpreting what's being said in the story. No, you cannot buy lottery tickets with food stamps . . . not in Michigan or in any other state that I'm aware of. Per the article (and per my assumptions before I read it), Michigan is like a lot of other states that are using the debit-type cards now in lieu of paper stamps: If you have food stamps, if you have cash welfare benefits, or if you have both, you have the card. The cash welfare portion can be used to purchase anything under the sun. And if you observe someone using that card to buy non-food items, it's the cash welfare funds they're using. If they only receive food stamps, they cannot use the card to purchase non-food items. The cards partition the funds by food stamps and cash assistance.
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Old 09-19-2009, 01:20 PM   #4
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Using welfare to purchase lottery tickets is a slap in the face to every taxpayer out there.

On the other hand, you're misinterpreting what's being said in the story. No, you cannot buy lottery tickets with food stamps . . . not in Michigan or in any other state that I'm aware of. Per the article (and per my assumptions before I read it), Michigan is like a lot of other states that are using the debit-type cards now in lieu of paper stamps: If you have food stamps, if you have cash welfare benefits, or if you have both, you have the card. The cash welfare portion can be used to purchase anything under the sun. And if you observe someone using that card to buy non-food items, it's the cash welfare funds they're using. If they only receive food stamps, they cannot use the card to purchase non-food items. The cards partition the funds by food stamps and cash assistance.

You're absolutely right, but I really wasn't misinterpreting it. It's just that I've been exposed to so much liberalism, I've become sloppy in the way I express myself.

The Bridge card has funds in lieu of food stamps and also funds intended as welfare payments. The food stamp allocation is only good for food, but the other funds can be used for anything. The reason for switching to the card was to stop the practice of using food stamps as a form of money. The welfare payments, when they came by check, could be used for anything and that still holds true.

My objection was mainly to the was it was stated by the official, that recipients have the right to buy whatever they want. I really don't think welfare recipients should feel that they have the right to use the money as though they had earned it, but there is reallly no way to prevent it.


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Old 09-19-2009, 05:45 PM   #5
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Yeah it's really bad someone buys lotto tickets on our taxes but in truth it's even more sickening that we just handed some rich CEO's free money in this country as bonuses to stay on in the company. Isn't there some hungry less richer man out there that would step up and do his job and be smiling at the end of the day. And probably do a much better job with more enthusiasm. Thank god for spell check. Makes rednecks get better jobs. hehe
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Why don't you accost these people in the stores? Confront them when they buy lottery tickets. Tell them what you think. Fix the world of welfare once and for all.

Meanwhile, congress and the prez have printed 9 trilliion that we don't have.

But if you save a bag of ice here and a lottery ticket there...
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Old 09-20-2009, 05:31 AM   #7
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Why don't you accost these people in the stores? Confront them when they buy lottery tickets. Tell them what you think. Fix the world of welfare once and for all.

Meanwhile, congress and the prez have printed 9 trilliion that we don't have.

But if you save a bag of ice here and a lottery ticket there...
Smart people don't start confrontations with people they don't know, especially if you're as little as I am.

What troubles me is not the idea of government assistance. I have no problem with welfare, medicare, etc. We have a set up here in Michigan that provides health care for kids whose parents can't afford insurance. I think it's a great idea. I've mentioned before that my mom and I took advantage of subsidized day care and housing as well as food stamps for a while when I was a baby.

What troubles me is that we've created a welfare culture with a substantial group of people believing that they are entitled to be supported by other peoples' taxes. And they believe they are entitled to the same treats and conveniences as working people. I don't believe this attitude is good for our country. And this attitude that the government is supposed to bail out anyone who can't make it on their own is what led to this massive gift of welfare to bankers and other executives, including bonuses to guys who ran their companies into the ground.


You humans are being fleeced and most of you don't even seem to mind
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What troubles me is that we've created a welfare culture with a substantial group of people believing that they are entitled to be supported by other peoples' taxes. And they believe they are entitled to the same treats and conveniences as working people. I don't believe this attitude is good for our country. And this attitude that the government is supposed to bail out anyone who can't make it on their own is what led to this massive gift of welfare to bankers and other executives, including bonuses to guys who ran their companies into the ground.
Point taken.

If you are TRULY concerned, you are writing on the wrong venue to the wrong people. I am sure you know that, but if it bothers you that much, do something about it.

Somewhere along the way, you will come to realize that any time there is a benefit provided for those in need, there will be either too much or too little granted (see Cash for Clunkers). There will also be people who connive a way to get two loaves when only one is authorized. There will also always be people who want to give too much to those in need, thereby inviting more graft and less incentive to get back on one's feet. In other words, this problem is centuries old and it is a function of human nature. It will never be fixed.

There is no consensus of opinion as to what constitutes balance in these matters. Some people would have them locked up until they can meet their finacial obligations and responsibilities. Others would build free homes for them, write loans for them, forgive them all debts, allow them to buy cake and ice (nyuk, nyuk) and on and on.
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Point taken.

If you are TRULY concerned, you are writing on the wrong venue to the wrong people. I am sure you know that, but if it bothers you that much, do something about it.

Somewhere along the way, you will come to realize that any time there is a benefit provided for those in need, there will be either too much or too little granted (see Cash for Clunkers). There will also be people who connive a way to get two loaves when only one is authorized. There will also always be people who want to give too much to those in need, thereby inviting more graft and less incentive to get back on one's feet. In other words, this problem is centuries old and it is a function of human nature. It will never be fixed.

There is no consensus of opinion as to what constitutes balance in these matters. Some people would have them locked up until they can meet their finacial obligations and responsibilities. Others would build free homes for them, write loans for them, forgive them all debts, allow them to buy cake and ice (nyuk, nyuk) and on and on.
I think the key is to convince the majority that people receiving public assistance are not necessarily "entitled" to the same kind of lifestyle as those who are supporting themselves. We can provide help to people who need it, but there should be limits and people who are receiving public assistance should be led to understand and accept those limits.

As I have said, we received public assistance for a while when I was little. My mother still doesn't understand why our subsidized housing had to be air conditioned. I haven't lived in an air conditioned home since.


Air conditioning? If you get warm just go outside
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Old 09-20-2009, 06:44 AM   #10
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I think the key is to convince the majority that people receiving public assistance are not necessarily "entitled" to the same kind of lifestyle as those who are supporting themselves.
How would you do that? By that I mean, logistically, exactly how would you set about doing that?

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Who sets the limits? Define them clearly.
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