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Old 09-14-2009, 05:06 PM   #1
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Default Excerps from your presidnets books.

Everyone of voting age should read these two books. Don't buy them, get them from the library before they are removed from the shelves.



From Dreams of My Father: 'I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites.'







From Dreams of My Father : 'I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother's race.'





From Dreams of My Father: 'There was something about her that made me wary, a little too sure of herself, maybe and white.





From Dreams of My Father: 'It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names.'








From Dreams of My Father: 'I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father's image, the black man, son of Africa, that I'd packed all the attributes I sought in myself: the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela.'




And FINALLY, and most scary!



From Audacity of Hope: 'I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.'
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Old 09-14-2009, 05:08 PM   #2
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Old 09-14-2009, 06:56 PM   #3
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way to pull quotes out of context. have you read either of the books?

From the first quote... Do you even know what ingratiating means?

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Old 09-14-2009, 07:49 PM   #4
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Wihunter, do YOU know what it means and what that statement means in the context it is written? I dont think you do.
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That last one scares me the most. The others we already knew about. These are just teaching from his church.
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Absolutely. He is saying that he no longer stated that his mother was white in order to deliberately gain favor. If you have read From Dreams of My Father, you would know that much of it is about his struggle with his personal identity and race.

Funny you should mention "in the context it is written" when this entire thread is based on quotes pulled out of context.
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Just actually read all the excerpts in paragraph form. Some where taken out of context. One quote doesn't even exist. The last quote is not out of context. It means exactly what it means. He was talking about our detaining of the ***anese during WW2. He's saying that he will absolutley stand by the muslims if it comes to that.
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Old 09-14-2009, 08:19 PM   #8
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I have not read Audacity of Hope, so I cannot comment on that much other than saying if we start putting muslim americans in internment camps simply for being muslim I too will stand with them.

Even Ronald Reagan himself would probably do the same considering he signed legislation stating that the government actions towards ***anese Americans during WW2 were based on "race prejudice, war hysteria, and a failure of political leadership".

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Old 09-14-2009, 08:53 PM   #9
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I have not read Audacity of Hope, so I cannot comment on that much other than saying if we start putting muslim americans in internment camps simply for being muslim I too will stand with them.

Even Ronald Reagan himself would probably do the same considering he signed legislation stating that the government actions towards ***anese Americans during WW2 were based on "race prejudice, war hysteria, and a failure of political leadership".
Muslim Americans? Can there be such a thing? After all, one of the biggest teachings of the muslims is the hatred of the "Western" country.

I see what you are saying though.

The bad thing is we have willingly let many muslim terrorists in our country and now we don't know who are " Muslim Americans" and "Muslim Extremeists". It sucks, but it is just the reality and when fit hits the shan, I'm not going to be too concerned on the difference, and for the sake of our country if it came to detaining, I would not protest it.
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Perhaps it is just an ideological difference and given the president's own life experiences and background it isn't extreme or unusual for him to say that he would stand up for the Muslim Americans in that situation.

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Muslim Americans? Can there be such a thing? After all, one of the biggest teachings of the muslims is the hatred of the "Western" country.
I would say this is the bigger problem. Check out this research done by the Pew Research Center: http://pewresearch.org/pubs/483/muslim-americans

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Overall, Muslim Americans have a generally positive view of the larger society. Most say their communities are excellent or good places to live.
A large majority of Muslim Americans believe that hard work pays off in this society. Fully 71% agree that most people who want to get ahead in the United States can make it if they are willing to work hard.
The survey shows that although many Muslims are relative newcomers to the U.S., they are highly assimilated into American society. On balance, they believe that Muslims coming to the U.S. should try and adopt American customs, rather than trying to remain distinct from the larger society. And by nearly two-to-one (63%-32%) Muslim Americans do not see a conflict between being a devout Muslim and living in a modern society.
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