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Old 09-13-2009, 07:10 AM   #1
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Is it to early to start impeachment hearings or is this the change you voted for?

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Old 09-13-2009, 09:32 AM   #2
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Impeachment would do no good for our country. I was against it for Clintoon, bush and even now. Vote him out is the only way to go.
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Old 09-13-2009, 10:33 AM   #3
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As I already pointed out prior. The new policy has been put into place for suspect caught on the battlefield. We have only 96 hours to hold them and question them for information per the Army training manual. They must be brought back off the front lines because those incharge of questioning don't serve on the frontlines. It take a minimum of 1 day to get them back to any place so now our troops are releasing many only after a few days because it's not worth the effort. One can only hope they dish out lead justice up front rather than face off with the same guys up front.
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Old 09-13-2009, 12:39 PM   #5
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I think it would be wise to figure out some realistic method of determining who should be kept longer term and who isn't really a problem. Nobody wants to release a potential terrorist who attacks our soldiers again. It is smart, however, to turn around the ones you can turn and then just keep the real terrs to keep them out of commission. This process should be designed with realistic input from the troops in battle so it's not some unrealistic time frame designed by somebody who's never served, doesn't understand the potential problems just getting captives back to interrogators safely and is trying to substitute American time frames into a war zone.
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Old 09-13-2009, 03:08 PM   #6
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This is one of those things that seems to "brief" well, but in practice - has some significant issues. I absolutely believe that the guys this sounds best to are the ones farthest from the battlefield.

There are generally three types of non-US personnel on these battlefields: 1) The hardcore bad guy, 2) The guy who's trying to make a living and will do whatever gets him paid, and 3) The hard core good guy.

Hardcore bad guys either give it away by shooting at you, or by their (truly) odd behavior. Whether they worked for us or the bad guys, #2 seem to be the most common, as well as the most dangerous. They look like everyone else, particularly #3. Add the possibility that they've been threatened with the death of their family if they don't put on the suicide vest, what's a #3 to do? Yes, it's often difficult for the Wal-Mart society to believe that could actually happen, but it did - and often - while I was there. Just like in a bad action flick, the family usually ends up dead anyway.

So, we know what happens to the hardcore bad guys (dead, preferably - locked up as an alternative), what to do with #2s and #3s. Or, is the #3 really a #2? Maybe that #2 is really a #3? No worries guys, you have 96 hours to sort them out. We'll just trust that even after you've been in an intense firefight and seen your buddies' truck blown to smithereens that you "amicably" sort the good guys from the bad! You think police officers are shot full of adrenaline after a chase?

Sadly, even 96 hours may be long enough to turn a #3 into a #2. "Fricking Americans, they sleep with dogs. Inshallah they will die for this."

Yeah, a great idea - especially coming from a country with pretty well-developed LE databases, etc. - not to mention a tried-and-true Constitution. But applied to who? Guys who don't wear uniforms, who live in otherwise backwards and wholly corrupt "states", and who generally see the laws of war as not applying to their Jihad. Allah reigns supreme over any of some westerners "laws" and "ideas of fairness", which can in turn be exploited against them.

Sure sounds like a good idea, though. I'll bet it's in PowerPoint!
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The Obama administrations plan for the treatment of POWs is totally nuts. If a terrorist is captured while fighting US troops then call the sob a POW and put his butt in a POW camp in the middle of the Arizona desert for the duration of the war. If the guy was turned in by an informant then do some investigation and lock the guy up, if warrented.

The high mayor of Kabul, Mr. Karzai, has long complained about the treatment of Taliban prisoners under US control. Karzai wants to hold "negotiations" with the Taliban.

BTW: Afghanistan is very quickly going to hell in a hand basket. Ghazni province is controlled, or is about to be controlled, by the Taliban. There has been a serious Taliban presence in Ghazni province since 2004.
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Impeachment would do no good for our country.
Why not? Just curious.
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The Obama administrations plan for the treatment of POWs is totally nuts. If a terrorist is captured while fighting US troops then call the sob a POW and put his butt in a POW camp in the middle of the Arizona desert for the duration of the war.
Why not gitmo? Why does geography matter except for the fact you get them here on US soil and the left has a stronger arguement to claim they are now covered by the constitution. There was nothing wrong with gitmo before and there is nothing wrong with it today!
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Impeachment would do no good for our country.

Why not? Just curious.
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JMHO but it sets a dangerous precedent to impeach any President unless absolutely necessary. It's better to simply vote them out of office if possible as that affords any succeeding administrations more time to actually do their day job and gives less impetus to either party to continually hogtie any sitting administration with frivolous impeachment proceedings.
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