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Old 09-07-2009, 05:27 PM   #1
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A president plans to give a speech to school children. He will encourage them to take charge of their education. And he'll ask them to explore ways they can help him, as the president. The opposing party is furious and expressing their outrage at his underhanded tactics of using children for his own political gain.

The year isn't 2009. It's 1991, and the president is George H.W. Bush.

It gives me comfort to know that, after 240 years of American politics, some things haven't changed. We're still supposed to feign outrage whenever the other guy does something . . . even if what the other guy is doing is something our guy has already tried.

I was as skeptical about Obama's speech as anyone. And even though after reading it I find it to actually be a pretty darned good little speech, I still think it's a little silly and a whole lot pointless; it doesn't share any message that isn't already hammered into kids' heads from the time they enter school until the time they leave it. But as I watched Fox News drone on and on about this today, I couldn't help but chuckle as I thought about the reliable consistency of Americans.

Good ol' partisan politics. You gotta love it.
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Old 09-08-2009, 02:56 AM   #2
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It gives me comfort to know that, after 240 years of American politics, some things haven't changed. We're still supposed to feign outrage whenever the other guy does something . . . even if what the other guy is doing is something our guy has already tried.
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Where was Junior Bush when 911 happened? In a school, of course, talking with the kids. Talking to and with kids is good American politics. If a presidential talk will motivate kids to stay in school then i'm all for it.
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Old 09-08-2009, 06:38 AM   #3
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Where was Junior Bush when 911 happened? In a school, of course, talking with the kids. Talking to and with kids is good American politics. If a presidential talk will motivate kids to stay in school then i'm all for it.
That slams the door on this ridiculous non-issue falcon.

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Old 09-08-2009, 07:03 AM   #4
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The speech is the second take. The original had a ciriculum attached and classwork for the good little Hitler Youths. It was squashed because people saw the light. I don't trust them to not change up in the middle of a speech. It's not petty, It'ss my choice as a parent whether i let them watch it, not the schools. In out catholic school he is not getting the opportunity.
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GW broadcast a speech nationwide and had it set to complete paperwork on how the children was the help him ?

I didn't know that
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Obama forced schools and teachers to show the film and use the lesson plan?

I didn't know that.
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Griswold, this isn't comparable to GHWB's speech. As pointed out, he didn't send a lesson plan ahead of time for the kids to stew in.

I found out about this, back when I started the first thread, because someone told me about the president planning a speech directed at school children. My initial comment to the person informing me of this was "so what, several presidents have done so, including GHWB". My objection started when this person told me about the pre-lesson instruction sent from the white house to public school teachers. Call it what you want, but I think its unfair to stereotype everyone who objects to this as hypocritical. That is the purpose of this thread isn't it? Or am I misunderstanding your post?
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I agree. I have read it and it is nothing more than a pep speech. Which I have no problem with. My whole concern, which is the concern of the nation, was due to the lesson plans. At first they were geared for indoctrinaion, which was later changed. Indoctrination or not, the Administration making lesson plans is a direct violation of

20 U.S.C. § 3403 (Pub.L. 96-88, Title I, § 103, Oct. 17, 1979, 93 Stat. 670).
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Obama forced schools and teachers to show the film and use the lesson plan?

I didn't know that.
Then you have been speaking out your butt all this time. I am a dept. head and recieved the sensitive informations, straight from the White House. And yes, it appeared to be a mandate, at first. Then the law was read to them, and they changed their mind.
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That slams the door on this ridiculous non-issue falcon.

LOL
Please explain? Bush reading a childs book to kids is equal to a mandated lesson plan calling for kids to help the president. You are truly funny.

Agian, please know what you are talking about before you post.
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