So, the single payer goal?

[Fieldmouse]

For all the Dems on here that want the single payer goal of the Democrat Party, I must ask you what happens to all the investment money currently being done by the insurance companies? Insurance companies are able to keep rates down by investing their money and realising ROI. How do you think the loss of those dollars will effect employment here in the USA? It's bad enough that jobs will be lost in the health insurance industry but how do you think your job won't be affected when investment dollars go away?

[ipscshooter]

Ummmmm.... You're going to confuse them... Please try to stay on mantra:

"Insurance companies evil. Must have government control."

Keep trying to use logic and facts and you're going to end up in a reeducation camp somewhere.

[Howler]

Will jobs be truely lost, or would those that loose jobs be able to find new Government jobs, selling Government run insurance? Government is currently the fastest growing job market, afterall!

[vc1111]

To borrow a particularly brilliant response I once heard on this board: "Those without jobs can just relocate to where jobs are available."

Oh and let me add the kicker presented with the above:
"Its not my problem. I got a job. Let them go get one too."

Ips, I agree that the emphasis is going to be on the insurance companies as a way of gaining support.

[ipscshooter]

Originally Posted by vc1111

Ips, I agree that the emphasis is going to be on the insurance companies as a way of gaining support.

Yep. And once they've been decimated by their inability to compete effectively with the taxpayer subsidized "government option", and they are forced to liquidate the hundreds and hundreds of billions that they've got invested in businesses across the country, the government can step in and buy up those investments via the bankruptcy courts, on a discounted basis, and they'll own even more of the country's businesses, and an even greater share of the economy... We started walking towards socialism during the New Deal. The walk became brisk during the Great Society. We broke into a trot when lame-duck Bush acquiesced to the bank bailout. Not we're stampeding blindly into the abyss.

[Fieldmouse]

Howler

Will jobs be truely lost, or would those that loose jobs be able to find new Government jobs, selling Government run insurance? Government is currently the fastest growing job market, afterall!

Not talking about the insurance jobs because in fact the insurance companies will convert to clearing houses for the government. I'm talking about all the loss in investment dollars in the market place insurance companies make in order to keep our premiums as low as they are right now. FYI, the government won't have the opportunity to invest in the private sector. So once again to the Dems out there, please explain how the government is going to keep medical costs down when they can't invest in the private sector?

VC:

To borrow a particularly brilliant response I once heard on this board: "Those without jobs can just relocate to where jobs are available."

Bingo when we're talking about states competing against other states for business with a free flowing capital market. Your the intelligent one here (so you say) please explain to me how you make up for all the loss in investment money insurance companies do each year? It's not a take a dollar in and spend 98% out. The insurance companies invest in the market to reduce risk. That ends under Obamacare vision.

Oh and let me add the kicker presented with the above:
"Its not my problem. I got a job. Let them go get one too."

Unlike you VC, I'm not going to blow smoke up someone's butt. I'm going to tell them how it is. I'm not one who will kiss someone's butt on this site by floating between the American dream and the nanny state. While I may give my shirt off my back for many in my community and many on this forum, I know I have nothing more to offer a distant American but the constitution by which I believe in. I can not support ideas that promote holding someone up at gun point and handing their money to someone else. I know that the best support I can offer 300 million strangers here in the US is to offer them their constitutional right of liberty. I know you think way different, but unlike myself, you can't define when it ends. For me, it ends where it begins.