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Old 08-28-2009, 11:31 AM   #1
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Default Just a thought on Insurance reform.

In my job, our insurance year starts Sept. 1st. About this time of year, we renew , cancel, or change our coverage. In doing so, the insurance company sends a guy out to ask if we want to renew, cancel, or change our coverage. That it, simply asks and we sign a piece of paper stating that he asked. If we want to change or cancel our policy our employer gives us paper work to do so. My question is, why does that guy come around? What is his purpose? How much is he paid to do so? How much gas is wasted in doing so? How many of these guys are out doing this seemingly worthless task? Can we not cut this kind of bureaucracy out?

I just got back from seeing this guy, that is what got me thinking. I am changing my insurance this year, so he did nothing more than ask a question and I answered. I have alread filled out the paper work to change my coverage.

Is this not the kind of stuff we should be looking at, instead of killing the whole system?
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Old 08-28-2009, 12:25 PM   #2
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It's probably the result of some frivolous lawsuit.
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Old 08-28-2009, 12:33 PM   #3
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I might be wrong but the guy probably works for the insurance company and is probably paid by the insurance company. I am not aware of any government job that would be involved if it is private insurance.
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Insurance reform? I thought it was Health Care Reform or a Co-op or the Kennedy Bill..... I'm getting confused with all these different names for the same bill.
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Old 08-28-2009, 05:46 PM   #5
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In my job, our insurance year starts Sept. 1st. About this time of year, we renew , cancel, or change our coverage. In doing so, the insurance company sends a guy out to ask if we want to renew, cancel, or change our coverage. That it, simply asks and we sign a piece of paper stating that he asked. If we want to change or cancel our policy our employer gives us paper work to do so. My question is, why does that guy come around? What is his purpose? How much is he paid to do so? How much gas is wasted in doing so? How many of these guys are out doing this seemingly worthless task? Can we not cut this kind of bureaucracy out?

I just got back from seeing this guy, that is what got me thinking. I am changing my insurance this year, so he did nothing more than ask a question and I answered. I have alread filled out the paper work to change my coverage.

Is this not the kind of stuff we should be looking at, instead of killing the whole system?
It's mandated by the government called open enrollment.
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Old 08-28-2009, 07:05 PM   #6
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My experience has always been that the companies HR rep. comes around and does that. There have been several years that the companies I've worked for have changed ins. companies altogether to get a better deal. That is were the competition comes into play in the private sector.

If HR3200 gets passed, all those decisions will be made for you. All the government will need is your checking account # so they can help you make your medical payments. You won't even have to write a check.

Life will be so easy and trouble free.

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Old 08-29-2009, 02:29 AM   #7
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We have open enrollment also. But no one comes around to see if you want it. It would be kinda nice, since the last time I wanted to change and missed it. Where I work, you just have to remember that it's in October. If you forget, you're SOL. Unless it's some sort of Emergency or addition to the family.

I'm sure he's not much more than a salesman type employee. Just goes around making sure everyone knows they can change or increase their coverage.
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Yeah, we have the open enrollment that is required as well.. Although this year they did something different.. They did an audit which is a whole lot of crap if you ask me.. They just want to make sure that no one is lieing on the coverage of dependants or something like that...
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Old 08-29-2009, 03:40 AM   #9
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Phil, think about the audit. Does accuracy count for something as ungodly expensive to your employer as providing health insurance?

bernie...

If you think this through you will realized what I've said for years on this board:

Competition is a problem...among the providers of medicine, not the insurance companies.

Generally speaking the insurance cost is direct reflection of the expense presented by the pooled risk. Using your employer as an example, they will charge what they think it will cost to provide insurance coverage for a year for your class of employees with a buffer added in for profit.

So why does the cost rise so much each year? If the insurance company arbitrarily increased the cost, a competitor with a more realistic quote would get the business the next time around. There are dozens upon dozens of major players in the health insurance market place so there is no shortage of choices in most cases.

The underlying cost of medicine is the primary factor, not the insurance vehicle itself.

Of course that is a necessarily basic explanation. It is more complicated than that, but not much really.

  • The practice of defensive medicine (because of fear of litigation)
  • The need for additional tort reform
  • The need for reduction of insurance costs by way of eliminating the number of forms each provider must know and use
  • Over utilization because of lack of patient concern with anything other than out-of-pocket co-pays and maybe deductibles
  • Increased overall costs because uninsured patients wait till their health problem is exacerbated before seeking treatment, thereby increasing the cost for a given illness or injury
  • The lack of publication of a given health care providers cost until after a bill is presented = Practically NO competitive shopping by the patients...think about that. And we wonder why the costs rise so much every year??????
  • The cost shifting associated with billing your insurance carrier for the costs of those uninsured parties who are treated
  • The cost associated with providing excess care, which is easily billed to the insurance company (because the patient is ONLY concerned with his or her co-pay
  • ETC

Think about the above partial list. As I've repeatedly told Einstein (no offense, burnie) "it's the cost, stupid." The cost of medicine is THE primary factor in the cost of insurance, period. Yes, the cost of insurance is rising, but what does that directly reflect???

Remember this as you watch the "reform" take place: It will be increasingly "popular" to vilify the nameless, faceless, insurance industry. It is a way of saying, "We need to pass this to help you. Those evil insurance companies are screwing you." Think. Think. Think.

The present Obama plan of course, might actually eliminate insurance altogether over time, which is why you hear so much about "the Public Option." Listen carefully and you will hear members of the public tuning in to that Public Option as what they think is going to be their ticket to "free insurance," which of course it cannot be, even under the present Obama proposal. Listen carefully and you'll hear that daily. Our legislators are aware of that desire for "free insurance."

As I've said at least a dozen times on this board, generally speaking, a contract can usually be written to provide whatever both parties agree to. Insurance contracts, generally speaking, are no different. You can have whatever you want, but someone has to pay for it. Think.

While shooting the messenger (carrier) may be an easy, popular idea, it does not serve you, Joe Citizen, at the end of the day.

It's the cost (billed by the PROVIDER OF health care, not the insurance company), stupid.

Your legislators are very tuned into the idea that you will be QUICK to shoot your insurance company as you think about this. That simplistic idea is not lost on them as they engage in the money/power grab that could go hand in hand with "reform."

Reform is coming. It is probably officially too late to turn back now. The idea that we'll "promote competition" in the private sector was given lip service and NOTHING more than lip service for decades.

We will now get exactly what we deserve for the greed displayed by the majority of unthinking Americans who, like Einstein, were perfectly satisfied to ignore the growing costs of health care in America as long as their costs were paid by their employers.

The fact is that if you participate in the pooling of the risk (which everyone does who signs up for "insurance") then you have an obligation to help control the costs by way of awareness of what is being charged IN YOUR NAME each and every time you utilize the system

Instead, you are, and have been for decades, primarily only concerned with your "co-pay" and deductibles. As time went by, your employer did his best to wake you up, by perhaps raising those co-pay/deductible costs to you and shifting some of the monthly premium costs to you, but you remained 'only dimly aware of a certain unease in the air' (I knew you'd like that one, burnie)

And look what happened while you were sleeping.

They've got your attention now, eh?
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Old 08-29-2009, 04:10 AM   #10
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Back to the name calling I see contract boy or would you prefer boy in the barrel?

It's too fuuny, while you continue to just plain name calling barrel boy, we do agree it's the cost. Above is the FIRST time you have put to gether a list of reasons. go figure, you would rather just name call. Funny, though you put to gether a list but then in the next paragraph you say this:
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The cost of medicine is THE primary factor in the cost of insurance, period.
Which is it? The cost of medicine our the cost of lawyers? The cost of medicine or the cost of government mandates(over 1000 of them today)? The cost of medicine or the lack of cross state competition? The cost of medicine or the fact The lack of publication of a given health care providers cost until after a bill is presented = Practically NO competitive shopping by the patients...think about that. And we wonder why the costs rise so much every year??????

You all over the map there VC. Try to stay consistent. Why not end the name calling, become a little more civil? Show the new VC that your tag line is saying?
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