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Old 08-27-2009, 11:50 AM   #1
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Key Democrat Suggests Party Moderates Acting 'Brain Dead' in Health Care Debate

Rep. Pete Stark, D-Calif., who heads the health subcommittee on the tax-writing Ways and Means Committee, criticizes so-called Blue Dog Democrats for their resistance on health care reform legislation.


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WASHINGTON -- A key House liberal suggested Thursday that party moderates who've pushed for changes in health care legislation are "brain dead" and out for insurance company campaign donations.



Moderate Blue Dog Democrats "just want to cause trouble," said Rep. Pete Stark, D-Calif., who heads the health subcommittee on the tax-writing Ways and Means Committee.
"They're for the most part, I hate to say brain dead, but they're just looking to raise money from insurance companies and promote a right-wing agenda that is not really very useful in this whole process," Stark told reporters on a conference call.
Kristen Hawn, spokeswoman for the Blue Dog coalition, said in response that the lawmakers "have played an active and productive role in this important debate" and "believe it's more important to get it right than to rush legislation on this complicated and critical issue."
Thursday's call was hosted by the liberal group Campaign for America's Future to release a report making the case for a strong new public health insurance plan to compete with private insurers as part of any health overhaul legislation.
Health care legislation introduced in the House included a public plan with payment rates to providers modeled on Medicare rates. Doctors and hospitals say those rates are too low, but Stark and other liberals support the model, saying it would result in lower costs to the public.
Stark's Ways and Means Committee passed a version of the bill with Medicare-style rates. But in the Energy and Commerce Committee, Blue Dogs pushed successfully for changes that would have a public plan with payment rates negotiated by the Health and Human Services secretary.
The Blue Dogs said this would mean fairer rates to providers but Stark and others say it would be more expensive to the government and costlier to patients.
The final form of the public plan in the House bill remains to be determined because versions passed by the Ways and Means, Energy and Commerce, and Education and Labor committees must be reconciled once Congress returns from its summer recess after Labor Day.
Any bill the House eventually passes would have to be meshed with legislation from the Senate.
In the Senate the public plan faces tougher odds partly because minority Republicans who oppose it hold greater sway. A compromise being floated there would create nonprofit, member-owned health co-ops instead, along the lines of agricultural or electrical co-ops.
The Obama administration has indicated some openness to this idea, but Stark dismissed it, saying there was no indication it would work and it was "a sop" to a few senators from largely rural states.
"You might as well talk about unicorns," Stark said.
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Old 08-27-2009, 01:21 PM   #2
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Soros and his pukey crew are targeting the conservative Democrats who are opposed to Obama's healthcare scheme.
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Old 08-28-2009, 04:55 AM   #3
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Soros and his pukey crew are targeting the conservative Democrats who are opposed to Obama's healthcare scheme.
I'm not sure how Soros factors in, but for once you and I are in agreement, the conservatives are definitely in the crosshairs on this one. The amusing part is that once this federal Ponzi scheme collapses the health care and insurance industries the silly libtards won't have a scape goat outside their own ranks.
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Old 08-28-2009, 05:42 AM   #4
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I'm not sure how Soros factors in, but for once you and I are in agreement, the conservatives are definitely in the crosshairs on this one. The amusing part is that once this federal Ponzi scheme collapses the health care and insurance industries the silly libtards won't have a scape goat outside their own ranks.
I'm sure they'll conjure one though. Kind of like they do for everything. It'll be Bush's doing.
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Old 08-28-2009, 06:19 AM   #5
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"They're for the most part, I hate to say brain dead, but they're just looking to raise money from insurance companies and promote a right-wing agenda that is not really very useful in this whole process,"

Yep, he's dead on there!
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Old 08-28-2009, 06:39 AM   #6
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"They're for the most part, I hate to say brain dead, but they're just looking to raise money from insurance companies and promote a right-wing agenda that is not really very useful in this whole process,"

Yep, he's dead on there!
Too funny, you seem to be not only brain dead but really don't understand the issue. Then again, your the tipical lib. Let's blindly follow our government messiah. Insurance companies don't want the conservative plan because that means increased competition. You know, allow the 1300 different insurance compainies in America to sell across statelines? If anything, insurance compaines want Obama plan because the allows them to shift focus and become the clearing house for the government. Who do you think will end up processing the claims to the government?

Why is big pharma on board? Hmm let me think, perhaps it's because they won't see their profits drop one bit. If anything they wil increase because Obamacare will give free drugs to over 12 million illegals.

So remind me again, who is all for big business here and who is for the little guy?

I won't charge you for this education fodderblade.
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Nah, I don't think they're going to turn on their own. It's just grandstanding. I don't have much faith that the Blue Dogs are going to carry through with their opposition to this legislation. A lot of them are Blue Dogs for a reason -- they have to be in the districts they're in. I think for a lot of them the opposition they've shown so far is merely token opposition. Maybe I'm wrong. I suppose we'll see.
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Old 08-28-2009, 12:53 PM   #8
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Blue dogs aren't blue dogs when you actually look at how they have voted so far. Overwhelmingly the Blue dogs have voted lock step with Polesi on every single liberal leglislation.
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Frustration is high among just about everyone who follows national politics. Generally speaking, it has been quite bad for the Democrats in Washington and elsewhere. Republicans have a momentary advantage, but they need to find some key issues to unite behind in order to create a successful brand.

I think the this year's gubernatorial races in New Jersey and, in particular, Virginia will test the ability of Republicans to pick up the flag and run with it.

Whatever happens, I look forward to 2010...
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Hey, Six, nice to see you posting again.
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