Change for the better? Looks like we'll have major change, no matter what.

vc1111 · 08-25-2009, 04:19 AM

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But implicit in the policy is the acknowledgment that our system of tying health insurance to the workplace is not working for upwards of 45 million uninsured Americans.

Whose policy is this? The left's or the right's?

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It also provides a new safety net that guarantees access to insurance for those with pre-existing conditions.

The dem plan or the rep plan?

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Low-income Americans would get a supplemental debit card of up to $5,000 to help them purchase insurance and pay out-of-pocket costs.

Obama Care? Or a "conservative" approach?

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The nexus of their plan is redirecting the $300 billion annual tax subsidy for employment-based health insurance to individuals in the form of refundable, advanceable tax credits.

Somebody stop "them!"

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...it provides a path to universal coverage by redirecting current subsidies for health insurance to individuals.

Uh, oh! Uh, oh! Make it stop! We'll have death panels!!! And, and huge tax increases!

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124277551107536875.html

burniegoeasily · 08-25-2009, 04:38 AM

I have a question on how constitutional it is for congress to force anyone to buy health care. Like what Obama has said he will force people to do, or be fined. I feel that is some unconstitutional change. But heck, what is the constitution anyway. Or polititians have been wipeing their back sides with it for years.

hillbillyhunter1 · 08-25-2009, 05:56 AM

Would it be better to tweak the current system or to replace it with a shiny new government mandate???

[homer simpson] UMMMMMMM, shiny government health care......a la la la la la la [/homer simpson]

get a politician to grow some balls and get rid of illegals and the whole problem would be a lot smaller.

vc1111 · 08-25-2009, 06:32 AM

Everyone is so busy bashing the Obama Plan, they fail to see the right wing plan is pretty much the same thing with a different hat. Pretty funny stuff.

kevin1 · 08-25-2009, 06:50 AM

I'm still trying to deduce where they're getting the 47M figure from. Illegals alone don't account for more than 20M, maybe if you toss in those who don't qualify for Medicaid you'd get another 2-3M, and if you add those who simply don't want insurance you might peak at another 5M. If you're too poor to afford insurance you almost certainly get Medicaid, and seniors have Medicare, so where are the 47M uninsured? Sounds like boosheit to me. Even if there were that many uninsured why should the rest of us pay their way? This isn't a socialist country(yet), it's not a communist country, it's allegedly a Constitutional Republic of free citizens who are endowed with an unlimited opportunity to either succeed or fail of their own volition. If you live in this country and don't have health insurance you either haven't tried to get some or don't want it, and the reason for either is entirely your own.

The Rev · 08-25-2009, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by vc1111

Everyone is so busy bashing the Obama Plan, they fail to see the right wing plan is pretty much the same thing with a different hat. Pretty funny stuff.

It's pretty easy to bash the Obamas plan, it's nothing but toilet paper. When does it become MY responsibility to pay for YOUR insurance. Because I've worked hard all my life and earn an above average income? Because I've made provisions for my retirement and now the government has the right to take it away?

You and the rest of the typical Liberals are standing in line with your filthy hand out leeching on the rest of hardworking Americans.
You have not, because you earn not! The Rev Right 1:1

burniegoeasily · 08-25-2009, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by vc1111

Everyone is so busy bashing the Obama Plan, they fail to see the right wing plan is pretty much the same thing with a different hat. Pretty funny stuff.

And which plan would that be?

Opening the nation to increase competition, instead of keeping the state monopolies? OR the tort reform so Dr. do not have to pass on the bill to us?

I, for one, would love to see less bureaucracy. Im sick and tired of paying people to give me paper work to fill out, just so I can pay someone else to file said papers. Hell, I want a doctor to see me, not pay everyone under the sun just to get to see a doctor.

bigbulls · 08-25-2009, 10:32 AM

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Everyone is so busy bashing the Obama Plan, they fail to see the right wing plan is pretty much the same thing with a different hat. Pretty funny stuff.

What plan would you be talking about? According to Obama and the dems the Republicans don't have a plan and are doing nothing but blocking any democratic attempts at health care reform because they have a personal vendetta against Obama.

CalHunter · 08-25-2009, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by vc1111

Everyone is so busy bashing the Obama Plan, they fail to see the right wing plan is pretty much the same thing with a different hat. Pretty funny stuff.

What is the Republican plan? It may or may not suck also. I don't know what it is so couldn't give an opinion either way on it. Now Obama's plan does suck.

burniegoeasily · 08-25-2009, 11:24 AM

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What is the Republican plan? It may or may not suck also. I don't know what it is so couldn't give an opinion either way on it. Now Obama's plan does suck.

Exactly. All ive seen throw around is what I posted, which is a pretty good idea. But doesnt amount to a hill of beans. The Republicans are nothing but a moot point in the argument. They can't block anything. The dems can pass what ever they agree on. And if any notion of bipartisan ship is mentioned, it needs to be understood that the Republicans have not even been invited to the negotiation table. Other than the Senate Finance Committee. And low and behold, who are the sticks in the mudd there. All of them. The three Dem. and three Rep.