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Old 08-18-2009, 05:36 AM   #1
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No Government-Run Health Insurance, No Bill, Say Liberal Supporters of Reform

The Obama administration appears to be stepping back from its insistence on a government-run health insurance plan, earning new wrath from the left as the president tries to appease vocal opponents of a "public option."


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A health care reform plan without government-run insurance is "D.O.A.," says one left-wing grassroots organizer up in arms about the possibility the Obama administration could abandon its efforts to build a "public option."

Jim Dean, chairman of progressive group Democracy for America, wrote supporters on Monday to tell them to fight any effort to remove a government-run health insurance plan in place of non-profit "cooperatives."
Suggesting insider Democrats and the insurance industry are behind the effort to kill a government-run plan, in his e-mail Dean assumed all Republicans in the House will oppose the health care reform with cooperatives, and with a loss of Democratic support, it would be dead on arrival.
"Let's be clear: A health care bill without a public option is D.O.A. in the House. Period.
To pass any bill in the House they need at least 218 votes but 64 House Democrats have stood up and said they will not vote for a bill without a public option. That means a bill without a public option would only have 193 votes," he said.
On Sunday, Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius told CNN's "State of the Union" that a public option is "not the essential element" in reform legislation.
"I think there will be a competitor to private insurers," Sebelius said, indicating that cooperatives could work as a substitute. "That's really the essential part, is you don't turn over the whole new marketplace to private insurance companies and trust them to do the right thing. We need some choices, we need some competition."
Sebelius extended comments from President Obama a day earlier, in which he told a town hall that a government-run health insurance program was never the most important part of a call for reform.
"The public option, whether we have it or we don't have it, is not the entirety of health care reform. This is just one sliver of it, one aspect of it," Obama told a town hall in Colorado.
"So we are working on a series of proposals to address the questions that you're raising. I believe that we can work them out. But those are specific questions as opposed to broad, philosophical questions about whether government ever has a role to play or not."
Several liberal supporters of any changes to the current bills being debated in Congress offered their criticism of a weekend suggestion by the administration that the sticky "public option" proposal could be removed from negotiations.
"Leaving private insurance companies the job of controlling the costs of health care is like making a pyromaniac the fire chief," said Rep. Anthony Weiner, D-N.Y., who advocates a government option from his post on the House Energy and Commerce Committee.
"Any bill without a public health insurance plan like Medicare is not health reform," said Rep. Barbara Lee, D-Calif., chairwoman of the Congressional Black Caucus. "Without a public option there will be no way to keep insurance companies honest and their rates down. A public health option that competes with private insurers will set standards that could help lower costs and improve access."

Perhaps the wicked witch is dead after all.
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Old 08-18-2009, 10:55 AM   #2
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You know what I love about this whole issue; The liberals keep blaming the Republicans for messing this up for them. They even go so far as to say the Republicans are the party of no. What the sheep in America fail to see is that the Republicans are a moot point. All the Demos have to do is pass the bills they want, the Republicans can’t do a thing about it. It is the turmoil in the Democratic party that is causing the problems. Another thing that keeps getting glossed over is the fact that the Republicans are left out of the policy making process. To the point the Democraps won’t even let them in the chambers to form policy. Obama has had no control over his own party and is letting the inmates run the prison. In lies the problems Obama has made for himself. He has not once taken control of his party. He is still in campaign mode, letting his party run the show while he runs around and tries to talk perty to the people to sway them to his cronies bidding. I predict the Democratic party is about to be lower on the food chain than the Republican, after this liberal love fest is all played out.


You asked for a community organizer to run the country, this is what you get. Thanks America. And if I hear another ex Obama supporter say, “I had no idea”, I just might punch them in the mouth. All this was predicted before hand and is coming to fruition faster than suspected. It might be a nice butt cover to have voters remorse now, but it does not negate the fact that stupid is what got this man in office. Sorry is not going to fix this problem. I just pray that things will pan out as I had predicted; Congress change in 2010, Obama lame duck, and we survive until a real leader can be voted in. With that said, I would not count out a possible impeachment when things start coming to light.
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Old 08-18-2009, 11:44 AM   #3
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You left out that the Dummocraps have been in control of the pocketbook for two years before the election, nothing does more damage than a loose purse.
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Old 08-18-2009, 11:50 AM   #4
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Neither side had the balls to admit that illegal immigrants were the soul reason for this fiasco.

Funny how absent they were from all of the press corps.
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