i hang out on some pretty rough web sites. Have seen threats and veiled threats against DC politicians. Called US Secret Service on two posters.
If, God forbid some far out nutcase with a CCW were to kill or injure a member of congress at a town hall meeting it would be all over for all of us who pack.
Except for his obligatory slam at the NRA, this is a good piece.
The nation is transfixed this month on a series of tense, contentious town halls that are taking place in states across the country. Determined to derail President Obama's health care reform plans, right wing activists have stormed these meetings en masse to shout down speakers (including Democratic members of Congress) and derail all attempts at meaningful dialogue. Reports indicate that "Tea Partiers" are also carrying concealed handguns into these events -- yet few in the media have commented on the distorted view of the Second Amendment that is driving this call to arms.
A commitment to political equality is our most sacred American value, and one that should be protected against all attempts at intimidation or violence. This was well understood by our nation's early leaders, including Abraham Lincoln, who famously declared, "Among free men, there can be no successful appeal from the ballot to the bullet."
Then there was George Washington, who in his farewell address to the nation said, "The basis of our political systems is the right of the people to make and to alter their Constitutions of Government. But the Constitution which at any time exists, till changed by an explicit and authentic act of the whole people, is sacredly obligatory upon all. The very idea of the power and the right of the people to establish Government presupposes the duty of every individual to obey the established Government." Put simply, once the Constitution was ratified, our Founding Fathers did not take kindly to insurrectionists.
This year has already been marred by a series of horrific shootings involving individuals who hated our government and believed they had a constitutional right to strike against it: Richard Poplawski in Pittsburgh, James von Brunn in the District of Columbia, Scott Roeder in Wichita, Gilbert Ortez, Jr. in Texas, etc. With tensions escalating at town halls across the country, the overwhelming majority of Americans who wish to peacefully exercise their First Amendment rights must speak out against the violent, insurrectionist philosophy that
Funny falcon, it's been Obama and the Dems who have brought in the union thugs. It's been those same union thugs that have resorted to violence against the people.
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Funny falcon, it's been Obama and the Dems who have brought in the union thugs. It's been those same union thugs that have resorted to violence against the people.
Well when in Rome.. The only way to deal with violence, is to give it back two fold. Israel is a good example of that. When they lose 10, they take 20. They have been dealing with it since the beginning.
It's far more likely that any nut who packs a gun to a town hall meeting and blasts a pol would be packing an illicit one without a permit, legally obtained guns are traceable to their owner. Permit holders are also keenly aware of the thin thread by which their permit hangs, few are willing to lose theirs over a pol when they can just vote against them in the next election.
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People talk preposterous chit all the time. You were right to report people who crossed the line and articulated clear threats. Sure, we have freedom of speech, but limited freedom of speech and it doesn't necessarily protect incitement of crime or insurrection.
I'm guessing that most concealed carry permit holders are very aware of the privilege that they enjoy and that this privilege can lawfully be rescinded. Sure, there are some dumb azzes who lack self-discipline -- seems you found some stories about some of these. Nevertheless, I'm guessing that most carry permit holders exercise good judgment and self-control.
It is a good idea for everyone -- concealed carry permit holders or otherwise -- to exercise some good judgment about what propositions they throw around. In a private bar, sitting in a corner, chatting with your buddies it may be understandable if you talk crap, but this is not a private conversation on this board. It is open for all to see and read.
People talk preposterous chit all the time. You were right to report people who crossed the line and articulated clear threats. Sure, we have freedom of speech, but limited freedom of speech and it doesn't necessarily protect incitement of crime or insurrection.
I'm guessing that most concealed carry permit holders are very aware of the privilege that they enjoy and that this privilege can lawfully be rescinded. Sure, there are some dumb azzes who lack self-discipline -- seems you found some stories about some of these. Nevertheless, I'm guessing that most carry permit holders exercise good judgment and self-control.
It is a good idea for everyone -- concealed carry permit holders or otherwise -- to exercise some good judgment about what propositions they throw around. In a private bar, sitting in a corner, chatting with your buddies it may be understandable if you talk crap, but this is not a private conversation on this board. It is open for all to see and read.
Especially with all the socialist liberals out there who attempt to make you slip up and say something that you really don't mean, just so they can go and report you. This is what you need to be careful of. They'll insult you over and over again until you blow your top and say something preposterous.
See how proud falcon is to be able to do this great service for his representatives. Thank you falcon for being there to protect us.
People talk preposterous chit all the time. You were right to report people who crossed the line and articulated clear threats. Sure, we have freedom of speech, but limited freedom of speech and it doesn't necessarily protect incitement of crime or insurrection.
I'm guessing that most concealed carry permit holders are very aware of the privilege that they enjoy and that this privilege can lawfully be rescinded. Sure, there are some dumb azzes who lack self-discipline -- seems you found some stories about some of these. Nevertheless, I'm guessing that most carry permit holders exercise good judgment and self-control.
It is a good idea for everyone -- concealed carry permit holders or otherwise -- to exercise some good judgment about what propositions they throw around. In a private bar, sitting in a corner, chatting with your buddies it may be understandable if you talk crap, but this is not a private conversation on this board. It is open for all to see and read.
It's interesting that you call the right to carry a "privilege." The idea that it's a privilege seems to be contrary to the second amendment's "right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
Do you really regard it as a privilege? Or are you just, like the rest of us, merely acknowledging the fact that our government regards it as a privilege and forces us to agree?
Good question Should you guys regard it as a right or a privilege?
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When I 1st read the 1st post, I though it was a goof, but then I read it again and I realized your serious. You "hang on some pretty rough sites" and you reported some internet tough talkers to the obama administration? Pretty lame man. If these sites are so extreme why do you "hang" there any way? Should we report you? I think you might have just a little too much time on your hands if your trolling the web looking for nuts to rat on. Funny also how you would assume an assassin would have a CCP but why woiuld that reflect on law biding gun owners anyway? The 2nd amendent dosent say "the right of people to bear arms shall not be infringed....unless a few nuts commit crime w/ them"
How about we just mind our own biz and when a nut commits a violent crime w/ a gun, we lock them up or kill them?
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Funny also how you would assume an assassin would have a CCP but why woiuld that reflect on law biding gun owners anyway?
Read it again. I don't think Falcon assumed that an assassin would have a CCW. He's saying IF the assassin were to have a CCW, it would reflect poorly on us. And it would. It would be a huge black eye.
I'm all for unlimited concealed carry for those with permits. As far as I'm concerned, there are very few places where you shouldn't be able to carry. But the key with this guy is he didn't just have a CCW; he was carrying openly. Given the sign he was carrying and the fact that he chose to display his sidearm for all to see, I'd say he was making a thinly veiled threat. But regardless, he was obviously looking for a reaction. That isn't fair to everyone out there who is opposed to nationalized health care and is working hard to fight against it. Nutcases like this guy cheapen the debate, just as do all those who are showing up at the town hall meetings yelling and screaming instead of being respectful and voicing their concerns.
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The only way to deal with violence, is to give it back two fold. Israel is a good example of that. When they lose 10, they take 20. They have been dealing with it since the beginning.
Good question Should you guys regard it as a right or a privilege?
