Just got back from a mini-boondoggle (sales meeting) and my coworker from the north was filling us in on his great healthcare system. Seems he had a direct knee to knee colision when playing soccer. Couldn't walk and went to the doctor. They examined his kneee cap/knee and set him to get an MRI. He got that appointment relatively fast, 2 weeks 2 hours away. When he got there, his visit was pretty fast. Only 6 hours waiting when he said he had to leave because he had to get to appointments. Got it done. Only took 4 more weeks for them to read the MRI and determine he had a hairline fracture on his femur. When asked what the treatment was, the doc told him I would stay off it for 6 weeks.
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Just got back from a mini-boondoggle (sales meeting) and my coworker from the north was filling us in on his great healthcare system. Seems he had a direct knee to knee colision when playing soccer. Couldn't walk and went to the doctor. They examined his kneee cap/knee and set him to get an MRI. He got that appointment relatively fast, 2 weeks 2 hours away. When he got there, his visit was pretty fast. Only 6 hours waiting when he said he had to leave because he had to get to appointments. Got it done. Only took 4 more weeks for them to read the MRI and determine he had a hairline fracture on his femur. When asked what the treatment was, the doc told him I would stay off it for 6 weeks.
This is nothing new. We grow up knowing when we actually need to go to the doctor. A banged up knee is not one of those times. unless it is turning funky colors, severly swollen, bleeding profusely or dangling and an abnormal angle, you just don't go in to see the ER at a hospital. One books an appointment with personal MD.
This person's wait time is due to low priority at the ER, if you want to go into the ER (choice is there ) because of a hang nail then be prepared to wait...lol
If this person went to see their personal MD the wait would have been less, but result the same. Most people limp home after a knee bang up in soccer put a bag of ice on it...hair line fracture...pppfffttt...ER as if...probably a whiner liberal canuck, they usually fake stuff while playing too...lol
Let me add, if this poor baby knee bang bang hurt booboo person phoned the personal MD, explained the incident he probably wouldn't have even had to go into the MD's office, they'd be told to get a crutch and take it easy and come into the MD office in a couple days, call if it gets worse. ER is bound by procedure to book MRI's...
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If this person went to see their personal MD the wait would have been less, but result the same. Most people limp home after a knee bang up in soccer put a bag of ice on it...hair line fracture...pppfffttt...ER as if...probably a whiner liberal canuck, they usually fake stuff while playing too...lol
Let me add, if this poor baby knee bang bang hurt booboo person phoned the personal MD, explained the incident he probably wouldn't have even had to go into the MD's office, they'd be told to get a crutch and take it easy and come into the MD office in a couple days, call if it gets worse. ER is bound by procedure to book MRI's...
So if something internally had been wrong with this persons knee that could have ended his walking days if it had not been caught immediately this is OK with you? You are satisfied with the treatment he was given?
Six weeks to find a hair line fracture in his knee when a simple x-ray could have found the problem and the doctor could have prescribe treatment and it was done. This has changed my mind. I was wrong all along. I want your health care system.
I gotta go. Gotta call Obama and tell him I have been so wrong about his health care approach. I really do want to wait weeks or months to find broken bones.
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yet the average life expectancy of a canadian male is about three years longer than his american counterpart. canadians also spend a considerably less amount of their gdp, per capita, on health care than americans do. and survey after survey in canada shows that the one thing canadians are most satisfied with, with respect to being a canadian, is their healthcare. consumer satisfaction is what it's all about after all, right?
now, is any of this meant to stand for the proposition that the canadian system is perfect, or even better than ours? of course not.
just as our system is not perfect either, and desperately in need of a some fixing...
yet the average life expectancy of a canadian male is about three years longer than his american counterpart.
1st, got the link to that. 2nd, medical insurance has little to do with that. It's more about genes and healthy living.
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canadians also spend a considerably less amount of their gdp, per capita, on health care than americans do.
They spend well less on their canoe Navy as well. Should we cdut back on our military spending to be like the rest? Also what's not taken into account boysda, is the loss of productivity due to waiting for treatment.
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and survey after survey in canada shows that the one thing canadians are most satisfied with, with respect to being a canadian, is their healthcare. consumer satisfaction is what it's all about after all, right?
survey after survey show overwhelmingly that Americans feel their healthcare is excellent and/or good to the tune of 75% +/- so I guess you would agree that consumer satifaction is what it's all about, right? So do you want to tone back this statement?
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just as our system is not perfect either, and desperately in need of a some fixing...
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1st, got the link to that. 2nd, medical insurance has little to do with that. It's more about genes and healthy living.
They spend well less on their canoe Navy as well. Should we cdut back on our military spending to be like the rest? Also what's not taken into account boysda, is the loss of productivity due to waiting for treatment.
survey after survey show overwhelmingly that Americans feel their healthcare is excellent and/or good to the tune of 75% +/- so I guess you would agree that consumer satifaction is what it's all about, right? So do you want to tone back this statement?
i just lost a lengthy, point by point response to your post when the GD server booted me off when i hit "submit". forgive me while i toss my computer against the wall, and try to recreate my response at a later date.
They spend well less on their canoe Navy as well. Should we cdut back on our military spending to be like the rest? Also what's not taken into account boysda, is the loss of productivity due to waiting for treatment.
That's a red herring. The military is too big and inefficient anyways. What would happen if we scrapped all the B-1's?
Is there anything on the loss of productivity? I doubt it'd equal to several hundred billion each year. And if a lawyer is out of work, good riddance.
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survey after survey show overwhelmingly that Americans feel their healthcare is excellent and/or good to the tune of 75% +/- so I guess you would agree that consumer satifaction is what it's all about, right? So do you want to tone back this statement?
That's just plain ignorance. Just like how many people believe these 'miracle' products supposedly solve medical issues.
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Originally Posted by Fieldmouse 1st, got the link to that. 2nd, medical insurance has little to do with that. It's more about genes and healthy living.
Very little to do with health insurance. Most go through life and drop dead in the end.
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They spend well less on their canoe Navy as well. Should we cdut back on our military spending to be like the rest? Also what's not taken into account boysda, is the loss of productivity due to waiting for treatment.
That's a red herring. The military is too big and inefficient anyways. What would happen if we scrapped all the B-1's?
No if someone is going to bring up the false notion of per GDP, why can't military spending be on the table. Loss of productivity isn't tracked anywhere that I know of. Shouldn't that number be tracked? It is in the billions I bet. You also must remember, Canada rations healthcare. Is that what you want here? Go look up the medical eguipment per pop? How about treatments not available to them?
Last comment, how many Americans are flocking to Canada to get treatment?
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survey after survey show overwhelmingly that Americans feel their healthcare is excellent and/or good to the tune of 75% +/- so I guess you would agree that consumer satifaction is what it's all about, right? So do you want to tone back this statement?
That's just plain ignorance. Just like how many people believe these 'miracle' products supposedly solve medical issues.
HMMM, I guess your willing to make the same comment on boysda claim then as well and throw out both?
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So if something internally had been wrong with this persons knee that could have ended his walking days if it had not been caught immediately this is OK with you? You are satisfied with the treatment he was given?
Six weeks to find a hair line fracture in his knee when a simple x-ray could have found the problem and the doctor could have prescribe treatment and it was done. This has changed my mind. I was wrong all along. I want your health care system.
I gotta go. Gotta call Obama and tell him I have been so wrong about his health care approach. I really do want to wait weeks or months to find broken bones.
I doubt his knee even had that hairline fracture...docs say that when there is nothing really wrong except a big woosie baby complaining...lol
No one is suggesting usa adopt canada's way, it's up to you folks to decide what's best for you....lol
I guess we are just used to our system here and don't go running to the ER everytime we get a boo boo scratchy on our knee knee...lol
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2nd, medical insurance has little to do with that. It's more about genes and healthy living.
yeah? got a link for that?
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They spend well less on their canoe Navy as well. Should we cdut back on our military spending to be like the rest?
you and i had this argument bout a year back. i think we spend way too much of our gdp on military spending.
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Also what's not taken into account boysda, is the loss of productivity due to waiting for treatment.
point taken. as i stated, their system is not perfect.
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survey after survey show overwhelmingly that Americans feel their healthcare is excellent and/or good to the tune of 75% +/- so I guess you would agree that consumer satifaction is what it's all about, right? So do you want to tone back this statement?
absolutely not. our system is in need of repair.
see, i pointed to consumer satisfaction re canada to point out that it receives high marks from its consumers, despite your anecdotal story regarding long waits.
my point was not to compare our system to theirs to (presumably) score partisan points. (I admit to presuming your agenda, but we've gotten to know each other pretty well over the years, haven't we?) if that were my goal, i'd have said something along the lines of
1. we seem to like ours as much as they seem to like theirs;
2. theirs is cheaper;
3. they live longer
ergo
they win
but that's not my point (although it sure was fun writing it and imagining your blood pressure spike as you whack your ted kennedy punching bag)
my point is there are positive aspects to their system as well as our own. in fact, in some areas they surpass us. perhaps we should examine aspects of their system that do work well, and consider importing them into our own.
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