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Old 08-06-2009, 07:07 AM   #1
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Default What happened to greedy speculators manipulating the price of oil?

Looks like there was nothing there, so the focus has shifted to save face and make it less embarrassing.

Limits on Speculative Trading Needed to Protect Energy Markets, U.S. Regulator Says
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By EDMUND L. ANDREWS
Published: August 5, 2009
WASHINGTON — The chairman of the Commodity Futures Trading Commission said on Wednesday that the agency wanted to impose new restrictions on so-called speculative traders, not to reduce price volatility but to prevent the energy markets from being dominated by a few huge investment funds.


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Gary G. Gensler, the commission chairman, said Wednesday that trading limits should help to improve market liquidity.
"I believe that at the core of promoting market integrity is ensuring markets do not become too concentrated," said Gary G. Gensler, the commission chairman. "I think we would all agree that if one party controls half the market, that party is more likely to lessen liquidity than enhance it."
The rationale is a distinct departure from the complaints of many Democratic lawmakers in Congress and from large fuel consumers like airlines and big trucking companies. Many of those critics have blamed big banks and investment funds, which have poured money into the energy futures markets, for worsening the roller-coaster ride taken by oil and
natural gas prices in the last year.
Prices for crude oil shot up more than 50 percent last year, hitting a record above $147 a barrel in July, then crashed to $33 in December. They have recently fluctuated, from $60 to $70 a barrel. Natural gas prices have been even more volatile.
Mr. Gensler, who was appointed by
President Obama and took office in March, has made it clear he still wants to impose new volume limits on speculative traders — financial investors who bet on the direction of energy prices but typically never buy or sell any oil or natural gas themselves — saying that markets would attract more trading and be more liquid if they were less dominated by a few big institutions.
That in itself would be a major departure for the once sleepy commission, which for years took a hands-off approach to regulation and allowed commodity exchanges to relax one rule after another.
Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley and Citigroup are major players in the energy markets, trading for their own accounts as well as for the investment funds they manage. Analysts have estimated that Goldman and others have earned their biggest profits this year from commodity trading.
Some of the fastest growth, however, has been from exchange-traded index funds, which are essentially
mutual funds that allow individual investors to bet on energy prices.
Though they are not regarded as traditional speculators, the biggest index funds sometimes account for almost 30 percent of the trading in natural gas futures on the
New York Mercantile Exchange, and collectively the funds sometimes account for well over half of such trading.
At hearing on Wednesday, several industry critics urged the commission to impose strict limits on both Wall Street firms and exchange-traded index funds.
"The futures market is special," said Paul Cicio, president of the Industrial Energy Consumers of America, which represents energy-consuming companies. "Its creation was not intended to be a substitute for a gambling casino for Wall Street banks, hedge funds, sovereign funds and index funds."
But others argued that neither the index funds nor other financial traders had anything to do with the recent volatility.
John Hyland, chief investment officer for United States Commodity Funds, the world’s largest manager of exchange-traded index funds, said his company’s natural gas and oil funds had barely grown as prices soared last year and had actually increased as energy prices fell.
"Our company could not possibly have caused the extreme swings in energy prices," he told the commission, calling claims against index funds "self-serving statistical gibberish."
John Arnold, chief executive of Centaurus Advisors, said limiting big traders would make the markets less liquid and possibly increase price volatility
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Old 08-06-2009, 07:15 AM   #2
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The futures market is a crap shoot no matter which part of it you're betting on, limiting one facet of it won't change that.
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Old 08-06-2009, 12:49 PM   #3
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True, but all the outcry was based on manipulation. Since the screaming democrats were educated that such is not the case, they save face by shifting focus to "market liquidity." That way, they can claim victory and walk away without carrying their arses with them. Fact is, speculators take on risk that hedgers want to displace, thereby increasing liquidity and allowing real market participants to lower their exposure.
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Old 08-07-2009, 11:47 AM   #4
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Looks like their still in business. Kind of like foudation contractors who put in foundations without tileing it before back filling it.

Always going to be uneducated people who hire them. Always going to be people who support slim balls just because they are of a particular political party. Neither can last long. Always will be ignorant people who ask why.
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Old 08-08-2009, 12:15 AM   #5
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If speculation isnt a factor in oil prices why has oil doubled in price while demand is still not really rising? $70+ per barrel is absolutely not justified right now.




Economic oil spill on the horizon?

Rising energy prices are a sign that the economy is improving. But at some point, higher oil and gas costs could jeopardize chances for a sustained recovery.

By Paul R. La Monica, CNNMoney.com editor at large
August 3, 2009: 12:12 PM ET



Although the price of oil is still well below its all-time high from a year ago, the recent price spike has made some economists nervous.




NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Oil prices are on the march again, rising above $71 a barrel Monday for the first time in more than a month.
The good news is that increased optimism about an economic recovery is one big factor behind the jump in crude prices. The bad news is that if oil prices continue to rise, we may have to kiss those recovery hopes goodbye.
While there appear to be many signs that the economy is stabilizing, there has yet to be a pickup in consumer spending.
Many are still nervous about the economy, and the memory of last summer's $4 a gallon gas and $140 a barrel oil is still fresh in the minds of most people.
So the last thing that consumers need are more worries about rising costs at the pump and how expensive it's going to be to keep their homes warm this winter.
Robert Dye, senior economist with PNC Financial Services in Pittsburgh, said that oil prices between $60 and $70 a barrel are consistent with his belief that the recession should end sometime during this quarter and that the nation's gross domestic product could actually grow on an annualized pace in the fourth quarter.
But Dye said that if oil prices continue to remain higher than $70 for an indefinite period, that could be a problem.
"Oil above $70 could exert downward pressure on GDP, and if we get into the $80 to $90 range, I do think we run the risk of this very fragile recovery stalling out," he said.
Talkback: Are rising oil and gas prices affecting your spending habits? And are you worried that energy prices will get back near last year's record levels? Leave your comments at the bottom of this story.
Gas prices have taken a turn up as of late as well. The average price of a gallon of regular unleaded gas inched up to about $2.55 a gallon, according to the AAA's latest daily report Monday. That marked the 13th consecutive increase. Prices are up nearly a dime during that span.
Keith Hembre, chief economist for First American Funds in Minneapolis, said that these increases could cause consumers to pull back on other purchases. He estimates that for every penny increase in gas prices, consumers are collectively likely to spend $1.25 billion less on other discretionary items.
So the most recent rise in gas prices could mean that $12.5 billion spent on gas won't be spent elsewhere. To be sure, that's not a huge amount. But if energy prices keep rising, it will add up.
"It's cliche, but rising oil and gas prices are like a tax on consumers," Hembre said. "These increases probably won't be catastrophic and cause a major downturn in spending, but it's another factor that's likely to weigh on the pace of the recovery."

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So where will oil prices go from here?
Hembre said that it seems that oil prices are rising more as a result of investors being willing to take on more risk as opposed to actual changes in fundamentals.
Even though expectations of increased energy consumption by China due to its massive stimulus package are having some effect, China by itself is not enough to justify oil prices more than doubling from lows earlier this year.
"Oil has gone from $30 a barrel to $70, but the global improvement in demand is not commensurate with that increase," Hembre said.
Tom Higgins, chief economist with Payden & Rygel Los Angeles-based money management firm, added that it's not unsual for oil prices to bounce so sharply considering how high they peaked last summer and how low they fell this winter. But he also thinks that prices probably shouldn't head much higher from here.
"If you look at current supply and demand, oil at $71 is not justified. We've jumped the gun a little bit," Higgins said. "It is going to be a tepid economic recovery in the second-half of the year."
Dye agrees. He thinks oil prices should self-correct if it becomes more clear that a recovery won't be as robust as some expect.
"The forces exerting themselves on oil prices have mostly been speculative," Dye said. "Any good economic news immediately translates into higher oil prices on the assumption that demand will increase. But that assumption hasn't always proved correct."
Dye said he's hoping that oil prices cool off soon because if they rise above $75, it's possible momentum would carry crude even higher. He doesn't think that people have to worry about triple-digit oil prices just yet, but nothing can be ruled out in a market this volatile.
"It's hard to put odds on where oil is going because a variety of factors influence the price," Dye said. "But certainly, the experience of the last couple of years has reminded us that unlikely events can happen."
And Dye warns that if oil prices do go above $100, that could be enough to send the economy back into recession by the second quarter of 2010. So here's hoping that sanity returns to the commodity trading pits before another oil bubble forms.
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Old 08-10-2009, 05:38 AM   #6
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Give em time they will be back making money. Right now they are on vacation spending all that loot.
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