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Old 08-05-2009, 02:14 AM   #1
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Another reason "Cash for Clunkers" is an utter failure. 4 of the top 5 cars being sold are foreign cars--three of them are made by Toyota, one by Honda. The only American car in the top 5 is the Ford Focus.

On the bright side, harry reid is promising another 2 BILLION for the program before the August recess. Yay.
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Old 08-05-2009, 03:09 AM   #2
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And sadly, since both Feinstein and Schumer finally caved on the mileage issue, it will probably get that next $2B. Wasn't there supposed to be a requirement written into it that the money could only be used to buy a US made car? That sure sounds familiar...
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Old 08-05-2009, 03:30 AM   #3
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CFC is a typical Goobermint screwed up program. Now, lets just give them HealthCare to "fix".
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And sadly, since both Feinstein and Schumer finally caved on the mileage issue, it will probably get that next $2B. Wasn't there supposed to be a requirement written into it that the money could only be used to buy a US made car? That sure sounds familiar...
They probably included cars assembled in America.

If all this stuff wasn't so stupid, it'd be funny.
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Old 08-05-2009, 05:23 AM   #5
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We went to look for a car for my wife a couple weeks ago.She only works a few blocks from home and we didnt want another bank payment so we werent looking for anything real expensive, Ive always been able to find a decent car for a few thousand that we can get a few years worth of use out of.

There was nothing on the car lots under 6 thousand that was worth a crap and everything under 5 was virtually non existant.We finally found a mini van they had just brought in from an auction and went to test drive it at the ford dealership.Its a small dealership and Ive bought most of my cars there in the last 10 years, theyve always treated me well and been honest and upfront about what theyre selling me, they also do all my service work for a decent price.I know the owner of the lot and he happened to be there the day we signed for the van.

I asked where all the cheap cars were, he said theres so many new regulations they have to go by now they simply cant sell anything for under 4 grand, they have to junk anything with a lower cash value.He said the auctions he goes to have new regulations as well and where he used to be able to bid on half the cars at them and probably bring back back half of those he bid on theyre now only letting him bid on a set number o them and they reject most of those bids right away.

His choices were to either buy crap cars and jump the asking price to over 4 grand or else quit taking trade ins and try to talk people into selling thier old cars privately as they could get a better price anyways and keep the car which theres nothing wrong with on the road.He went with the second option.

Sadly much of his business is through people like me that want cheap cars to drive locally and he is losing a lotta customers with all this crap going on and theyve been sending perfectly good cars to the junk yards for no apparent reason that he can see.

I dont know the new regulations with this program and whatever else theyve passed lately but it doesnt sit well with me.Theyre screwing with people all the way from the large car manufacturers down to the little dealerships and the end result is theyre effectively controlling whats available for us, the consumer to buy.And by the sounds of it its going to get much worse.

Financially Im better off that I was 10 years ago, I can somewhat afford to buy the more expensive cars that are available.But I remember when I couldnt, I remember relying on the couple hundred dollar cars that you could buy off these lots as recently as a couple years ago.Theres a lotta people righ now that are unemployed, theres a lotta people right now just coming out of high school and college, and a lot just trying to get started in this world, and the governments hell bent on making it more difficult for them through higher prices and less reliable transportation.Its a sad time for this country when we let em do it
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Old 08-05-2009, 05:25 AM   #6
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The news this morning is approximately 1/2 of the CfC vouchers have been used, not all of them, but it's a given that 2 billion more tax dollars will be allotted to the program.

Talking to my brother this morning, his best guess is the gov't will have at least $6,000 invested in each of the "clunkers", which will bring maybe a couple hundred as scrap. I'd bet we have more than that invested. He doesn't like it one bit--he realizes it's his tax dollars, along with everyone else that pays taxes, that are being used for corporate welfare.

The reality remains the same--the gov't doesn't have a clue, and has no business trying to run a business.
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Old 08-05-2009, 05:54 AM   #7
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This country has had legislation favoring the sale of foreign vehicles to Americans for a long time. This does not surprise me.

However, in fairness, you must consider why those 4 are being favored by Americans. Would that be the case if the American vehicles and their service and warranties were superior?
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Old 08-05-2009, 07:23 AM   #8
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Therein lies the main problem, at least it seems to be. If American made cars were superior, there wouldn't be a need for the bailout. GM should have been allowed to go under and regroup. Sooner or later China is going to want their money back.
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So exactly what is an American made car?
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Old 08-05-2009, 11:46 AM   #10
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For Baffled Buyers, a Guide to Cars Made in North America

By CHERYL JENSEN
Published: June 19, 2009
ABOUT 8.5 million cars and light trucks were assembled in the United States last year, but only about five million of those were made by the automakers traditionally known as the Big Three. More than three million of the vehicles assembled in American plants were built by autoworkers employed by foreign brands like BMW, Honda, Hyundai, Mercedes-Benz and Toyota.
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Add to those the familiar Detroit nameplates coming from plants in Canada and Mexico and it’s easy to see how confusing it can be for consumers leaning toward the purchase of an “American” car. Which is the more American product, a Honda Accord built by Ohioans for a company with its headquarters in ***an, or a Ford Fusion built in Mexico for a corporation that is based in Michigan?
Among the so-called transplants — foreign automakers who produce vehicles in the United States — Toyota leads in production. Last year it built more vehicles in the United States than Chrysler, although the margin was small — only about 11,000 vehicles. Honda was the first ***anese automaker to start building vehicles in the United States when its Accords began rolling off the assembly line in Marysville, Ohio, in 1982. In the ’80s and ’90s the Big Three began building more vehicles in Canada and Mexico.
Of course the window sticker of a new vehicle lists its domestic content, including the origin of its engine and transmission, but the intricacies of the North American Free Trade Act and the American Automobile Labeling Act can muddle details on parts from Canada and Mexico.
But “domestic content” is not domestic at all. For the purposes of the window sticker, the government has decided that domestic content will include parts made in Canada. Under the North American Free Trade Act, domestic is even less clear because it also includes Mexico.
Meanwhile, the labor of autoworkers assembling the vehicles is excluded from the calculation. Therefore, foreign carmakers with assembly plants in the United States are penalized because they cannot factor in the value of their American workers’ labor.
Reporting the origin of the engine and transmission is also tricky. Take Honda’s engine plant in Anna, Ohio. Although the engine of the Acura RDX is made there, ***an is listed as the country of origin. That is because one expensive part, the turbocharger, is imported from ***an (and installed by Ohio workers).
Readers can find a listing of all the vehicles built in North America, with the origins of their engines and transmissions and whether the factory is unionized, in an interactive graphic posted online. It includes production data supplied by the automakers. The information is current as of the publication date, but is likely to change in coming months
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