If Socialized Healthcare Is So Good.....

LBR · 07-16-2009, 08:49 AM

Why won't any of the Dems pledge to drop their Congressional package and sign up for the program they plan to ram down the rest of our throats?

http://fleming.house.gov/

LBR · 07-16-2009, 11:14 AM

Phil? BO? MM? Anyone?

Vizsla Vince · 07-16-2009, 11:29 AM

If senators had to enroll in their own plan, Kennedy & Byrd would be dead already!

James B · 07-16-2009, 12:30 PM

Right now they have passed a clause that congress would have to enroll in whatever they pass, However those who know say that when it passes, that clause will disappear. I am betting that that is true.

Phil from Maine · 07-18-2009, 02:52 AM

I haven't responded because it is so darn hard to post on here at most times. When trying to post I get the boot.. I am thinking that perhaps the timer on this is messed up and doesn't know when some one is actively on here or someone that forgot to log off. I am not sure what the heck it is except it is very frustrating..

Anyways as most on here know by now I am very much in favor of healthcare reform. I do not expect anything perfect from the start of it that is for sure. I do think it is very much needed though. The fact that insurance companies put on a lifetime max of a million dollars and the cost of service from the hospitals and ect.. I have seen folks run out of insurance because of of illnesses no fault of thier own. It doesn't take long for a young family to use the max up when a family member comes down with cancer or any other serious health condition. Once the max is used up they can not purchase more of it. It is because health insurance companies refuse to carry them or the cost is way out of thier means. So healthcare really is not for all as some as suggested and very much should be. Unfortunately no one has the right answers on how to get there. IMO it is something that needs to be done and whether right or wrong it has to start someplace..

The Rev · 07-18-2009, 03:01 AM

It's a vicious cycle, the insurance companies pay more because the hospitals have to charge for for those that don't pay and for the little amount that Medicare pays.
Someone has to pay for it. There is no free ride, unless you're like Joe, borrow to keep out of debt.

LBR · 07-18-2009, 04:48 AM

I expect Congress to get stuck with the same health insurance they mandate for the rest of us just like they get the same retirement plan (Social Security) as the rest of us--it ain't happening.

Phil, why would you want the same people who have bankrupted SS, waste millions on Medicare and Medicaid (through fraud, etc.), who can't even run their own cafeteria for crying out loud, to be in charge of your healthcare?

Quote:

...whether right or wrong it has to start someplace..

That makes no sense at all. Doesn't matter if it's wrong (guaranteed with Congress), as long as they do something?

That's like saying you don't just stand there while your house is burning, even if the only thing you have to put on the fire is gasoline. If that's all you got, start pouring it on the fire? That makes almost as much sense as Biden's spending to avoid bankruptcy.

Chad

Phil from Maine · 07-18-2009, 05:35 AM

I understand what you are saying Chad, however no matter what kind of program is in place there will aways be some type of fraud going. Whether you or I like it or not there will always be someone up on the system cheating it. Until they all get caught it will always happen. That is hat ruined workers comp and the like.

It still needs to be done, when you look at folks that has worked for everything they can earn. Loose it all because someone ended up with a serious health condition and couldn't afford the prescriptions needed to keep thier family member alive something is wrong here. They couldn't afford to keep up with all the bills and have to go bankrupt, something is wrong. They had insurance and only lost it all because they had maxed out on the lifetime max they no longer have none. something is wrong.. Health reform needs to be done. Do you have any ways of fixing these families problems? They need something that works and so do you and I.. None of us knows when a serious health condition will effect our families or even ourselves. But we need to be certain that what we have will work for us..

LBR · 07-18-2009, 05:48 AM

Quote:

Health reform needs to be done.

I agree. Both of my parents are in very poor health, and I doubt they will live long enough to pay off their medical bills.

Also, I lost one of my best friends a couple of years ago because his doctor wouldn't treat his cancer, because he only had medicare/medicaid. THAT is what you have to look forward to if the gov't takes over all healthcare--if you are certain age, or have a disease that they deem too expensive, or the chance of your survival doesn't meet their criteria, guess what? You won't get treated--unless of course you are a high ranking politician under a completely different plan, or you have the cash on hand to pay for treatment out of pocket (and maybe in a different country).

Quote:

Do you have any ways of fixing these families problems?

I would have to leave that to someone smarter than me, but I can tell you two things. One, you don't pour gas on a fire if you want to put the fire out. Two, when you have a group that can't even run their own cafeteria, you don't put them in charge of national healthcare.

Quote:

They need something that works and so do you and I.. None of us knows when a serious health condition will effect our families or even ourselves. But we need to be certain that what we have will work for us..

If you feel that way, why would you even consider putting Congress in charge, when they have proven time and again (regardless of which party is in the White House) they are totally incompetent when it comes to business, and won't even sign themselves up for the same programs they force on us?

Champlain Islander · 07-18-2009, 05:51 AM

If socialized health care is so good then why do many Canadians come here for treatment? I have friends in Canada and even though the healthcare is free the taxes they pay are outrageous. The tax burden on the upper middle class to rich is huge. Then again they are paying for everyone else…that’s the socialist way. In short the people with money pay a lot and get poor healthcare. My friend in Newfoundland had to wait over a year for a serious heart bypass surgery. He could have died waiting for his turn.