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Old 06-25-2009, 05:26 PM   #1
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The Cap and Tax Fiction
Democrats off-loading economics to pass climate change bill.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has put cap-and-trade legislation on a forced march through the House, and the bill may get a full vote as early as Friday. It looks as if the Democrats will have to destroy the discipline of economics to get it done.
Despite House Energy and Commerce Chairman Henry Waxman's many payoffs to Members, rural and Blue Dog Democrats remain wary of voting for a bill that will impose crushing costs on their home-district businesses and consumers. The leadership's solution to this problem is to simply claim the bill defies the laws of economics.
Their gambit got a boost this week, when the Congressional Budget Office did an analysis of what has come to be known as the Waxman-Markey bill. According to the CBO, the climate legislation would cost the average household only $175 a year by 2020. Edward Markey, Mr. Waxman's co-author, instantly set to crowing that the cost of upending the entire energy economy would be no more than a postage stamp a day for the average household. Amazing. A closer look at the CBO analysis finds that it contains so many caveats as to render it useless.


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For starters, the CBO estimate is a one-year snapshot of taxes that will extend to infinity. Under a cap-and-trade system, government sets a cap on the total amount of carbon that can be emitted nationally; companies then buy or sell permits to emit CO2. The cap gets cranked down over time to reduce total carbon emissions.
To get support for his bill, Mr. Waxman was forced to water down the cap in early years to please rural Democrats, and then severely ratchet it up in later years to please liberal Democrats. The CBO's analysis looks solely at the year 2020, before most of the tough restrictions kick in. As the cap is tightened and companies are stripped of initial opportunities to "offset" their emissions, the price of permits will skyrocket beyond the CBO estimate of $28 per ton of carbon. The corporate costs of buying these expensive permits will be passed to consumers.
The biggest doozy in the CBO analysis was its extraordinary decision to look only at the day-to-day costs of operating a trading program, rather than the wider consequences energy restriction would have on the economy. The CBO acknowledges this in a footnote: "The resource cost does not indicate the potential decrease in gross domestic product (GDP) that could result from the cap."
The hit to GDP is the real threat in this bill. The whole point of cap and trade is to hike the price of electricity and gas so that Americans will use less. These higher prices will show up not just in electricity bills or at the gas station but in every manufactured good, from food to cars. Consumers will cut back on spending, which in turn will cut back on production, which results in fewer jobs created or higher unemployment. Some companies will instead move their operations overseas, with the same result.
When the Heritage Foundation did its analysis of Waxman-Markey, it broadly compared the economy with and without the carbon tax. Under this more comprehensive scenario, it found Waxman-Markey would cost the economy $161 billion in 2020, which is $1,870 for a family of four. As the bill's restrictions kick in, that number rises to $6,800 for a family of four by 2035.
Note also that the CBO analysis is an average for the country as a whole. It doesn't take into account the fact that certain regions and populations will be more severely hit than others -- manufacturing states more than service states; coal producing states more than states that rely on hydro or natural gas. Low-income Americans, who devote more of their disposable income to energy, have more to lose than high-income families.
Even as Democrats have promised that this cap-and-trade legislation won't pinch wallets, behind the scenes they've acknowledged the energy price tsunami that is coming. During the brief few days in which the bill was debated in the House Energy Committee, Republicans offered three amendments: one to suspend the program if gas hit $5 a gallon; one to suspend the program if electricity prices rose 10% over 2009; and one to suspend the program if unemployment rates hit 15%. Democrats defeated all of them.
The reality is that cost estimates for climate legislation are as unreliable as the models predicting climate change. What comes out of the computer is a function of what politicians type in. A better indicator might be what other countries are already experiencing. Britain's Taxpayer Alliance estimates the average family there is paying nearly $1,300 a year in green taxes for carbon-cutting programs in effect only a few years.
Americans should know that those Members who vote for this climate bill are voting for what is likely to be the biggest tax in American history. Even Democrats can't repeal that reality.





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Old 06-25-2009, 07:20 PM   #2
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Waxman. He even resembles a rat. Many generators have not even begone to carbon capture, let alone capture CO2 emissions. This is not Cap and Trade but Cap and TAX. First it was Opacity then it was NOX and now its CO2. The idea is to raise the existing cost of todays electricity so that green energy can compete. Lets see...No Coal, No Oil, No Nukes...Change we can believe in. NOTICE. The grid will be shut down in five minutes due to no wind and cloudy skies earlier today! Have a nice evening.
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https://writerep.house.gov/writerep/welcome.shtml let your reps know how you feel.....if they care
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Done. But, my representative is Sheila Jackson Lee. All she cares about is getting a microphone in front of her face so she can hear herself talk... I swear, this blowhard has caused more global warming just from running her mouth than all of the cars ever driven...
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We are in our third year of global cooling. Wind and solar energyrequires 100% fossil fuel backup generation in case the wind doesn't blow or it's cloudy or nightime, meaning double the cost of generation to ratepayers.Estimates are that even if CO2 causes global warming, trillions of dollars will have NO meaningful impact whatsoever. This cap and trade scheme is the biggest scam in the history of mankind, the second being ethanol. I hope that if this legislation passes, democrats pay DEARLY for it at the polls as people's utility bills and cost of goods and services explodes!!!!
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Any updates on it?? All the news networks are covering Jacko instead of news that actually matters...[:@]
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Any updates on it?? All the news networks are covering Jacko instead of news that actually matters...[:@]
Hmmmm.... A wag the dog conspiracy happening? Get the proles thinking about Ed and Farrah and MJ while they covertly slip their hands deeper into our wallets... I wonder if Jacko OD'd in the same way that Marilyn Monroe did... After all, Obama wants to be idolized like JFK...
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Any updates on it?? All the news networks are covering Jacko instead of news that actually matters...[:@]
Hmmmm.... A wag the dog conspiracy happening? Get the proles thinking about Ed and Farrah and MJ while they covertly slip their hands deeper into our wallets... I wonder if Jacko OD'd in the same way that Marilyn Monroe did... After all, Obama wants to be idolized like JFK...
It looks like it did pass the House test vote...
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It looks like it did pass the House test vote, what is that??
Probably just a roll call to see if they've got enough votes to put it to a real vote...
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It looks like it did pass the House test vote, what is that??
Probably just a roll call to see if they've got enough votes to put it to a real vote...
Yeah, thats what it looks like, the real vote is suppose to be later today...
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