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Obama's screw up with dealing with Korea
Preemptively screwed up because of his lack of leadership skills and foresight. Or at least as I see it. Correct me if you feel I'm wrong (like I need to ask for that ).
First off, China is the only country that can reel in North Korea due to their aid that feeds the nation. China does not want to rock the boat by cutting them off, because it is easier for China to feed them over in Korea rather than have them immigrate to their country. Now for where Obama screwed up. Obama has borrowed so much money from China, that we will be in debt to them for many generations. We cannot strong arm China, or even ask them to take a hard line stance against Korea due to our debt to them. China has our dangly parts in their grip and there is nothing we can do about it. I feel Korea knows this, so they feel free to do as they please. Do I think Korea is going to attack anyone with these weapons? Not at all. I feel they are flexing all this muscle as a commercial. Iran is over their watching what they are doing. Why do you think that is? They are looking over the car lot to see if they like what they see. If so, Iran could be North Koreas first nuclear customer. What scares me, Korea will sell their nuclear product to anyone who will buy, even terrorists. That scares the hell out of me.
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China is no longer lending us money from what I understand. They have cut us off. We went from 45 nations lending to us to 15 nations.
China is now the worlds only super power. They are the only ones who can deal will everyone. Obama is happy with this new position we find ourselves in.
What really amazes me, Obama reminds me of Clinton because he never saw the nuke test coming. Just like Clinto never saw Pakistan and India. Go figure. I guess because of all the late night entertaining, Obama sleeps through his morning security meetings.
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Wotrugunnado? It seems to me that if a sovereign nation wants to develop nuclear weapons -- and who can blame them? -- it is their prerogative to do that. And if abbrogating a treaty solemnly swearing to not do something is in the best interests of a sovereign nation, my guess is that nation is going to abbrogate that treaty! Would it be wise and beneficial to strong-arm such a country into NOT developing nuclear arms? Sure! But it looks like our negotiating strategies have not been persuasive with these guys. This has been a long term matter, extending at least from the Clinton administration. So if you want to blame someone here in the US for not being skilled in strong-arming North Korea, you're going to have to blame (1) Clinton, (2) Bush II, and (3) just a little (~120 days worth of blame?) Obama.
Yep, Obama messed up when he failed to allow the US military to take a crack atlong range North Korean missile. However, donot place all the blame onObama for the present North Korean crisis: The man has been in office for four months. The last two presidents wussed around with North Korea for 16 years.
Screwing up with North Korea is nothing new: It began several presidents ago when the US failed to take out the reactor that NK was building. LBJ could have taken out the damn place during the Pueblo crisis.
Two US presidents, Bush and Clinton, played around and insisted on food aid to North Korea. Most of that food went to the North Korean Army and to North Koreans who had the money to buy it on the black market.We are feeding the North Korean army as we speak. Cut off the food aidand letthe damn country starve.
U.S officials say the Bush administration is nearing a decision on providing new food aid to North Korea. U.S.-North Korean talks on the issue, separate from discussions on Pyongyang's nuclear program, have made progress. VOA's David Gollust reports from the State Department.
State Department officials say the United States and North Korea are "on the verge" of finalizing an agreement governing the distribution of food aid to that country, and that an announcement of a new U.S. aid commitment is imminent.
Despite political differences with Pyongyang, the United States has been the biggest single provider of food aid to North Korea.
It provided hundreds of millions of dollars worth of food to the communist state beginning with the country's flood-related famine in the mid-1990s.
Ah but the real question is whether or not Obama lives up to his words. "Words mean something" We'll see how he handles this. So far he's failing. He's running to China and the UN. Then again, that's all he can do.
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"I never said I was worth it. I only said I wouldn't do it for less " William F. Buckley Jr.
I think this would be a good time to begin the slow, gradual dialing back of our "policeman of the world" interventionist position and start incrementally moving back towards the isolationist position we maintained in, say, 1895, starting with withdrawing from South Korea. Those people frequently protest our presence (not all of them, but many) and seem to resent their government's close relationship with the US. I say, pull the freak out and let Samsung, Hyundai, Kia, and other mega-companies pony up the money to defend themselves. They've got the resources; isolated North Korea does not. This would really be a foreign policy with a difference, if Obama embraced this "dial-down." This could be done with our older foreign presences first -- Philipenes, Gaum, ***an, Thailand, South Korea, Germany. Can't you just see their sphincters involunarily retracting, their mouths forming a surprised "o!", and their eye brows raising!!! Seriously, though, North Korea is fooling itself if it thinks it has anyplace to go or any friends (at least on their side of Iran). Don't count on China to pour across the river again to save your butts: don't think that's gonna happen this time.
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RE: Obama's screw up with dealing with Korea
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Wotrugunnado? It seems to me that if a sovereign nation wants to develop nuclear weapons -- and who can blame them? -- it is their prerogative to do that. And if abbrogating a treaty solemnly swearing to not do something is in the best interests of a sovereign nation, my guess is that nation is going to abbrogate that treaty! Would it be wise and beneficial to strong-arm such a country into NOT developing nuclear arms? Sure! But it looks like our negotiating strategies have not been persuasive with these guys. This has been a long term matter, extending at least from the Clinton administration. So if you want to blame someone here in the US for not being skilled in strong-arming North Korea, you're going to have to blame (1) Clinton, (2) Bush II, and (3) just a little (~120 days worth of blame?) Obama.
I agree with that, but place just as much blame on Obama. 120 days or not, he borrowed our way out of a world role and negotiating powers. Clinton was the worse with his funding of the programwith the aid money we sent and blindly followed up.Bush screwed the pooch when he invaded Iraq. He threw his trump to early.
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RE: Obama's screw up with dealing with Korea
I think we could just walk away from the Korean peninsula and let South Korea fend for themselves. That would cause ***an some stress though since we are there mainly for them. I think it is wrong to give any food or medical aid to NK. Let them starve.
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Why doesn't Obama just declare us Bankrupt, restructure the government in the way he sees fit, and give 35-40% of all newly issued treasury bills to the UAW?
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