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Good Grief. Did any one catch Obama's speech.
Yep, everything is Bush's fault. When will Obama except his job and actually do it.... Oh, I forgot, he has no clue how. And since bashing Bush got him so far, I guess that is all he will do for the remainder of his term. Well that, and spend money for his pet projects. Gawd, its going to be a long 4 years.
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kaafir mushrik
Unintended consequences and God have one thing in common: Liberals don’t believe in either of them.
I heard the soundbites about "torture." Still trying to figure out how all of Bush's anti-terrorism harsh measures were ineffective when no domestic terror attacks occurred and a buttload of them seem to have been prevented here and elsewhere.[]
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Richard Cheney schooled Obama today. His speech was more informative rather then the poor speech Obama made. I'm trying to locate a link for Cheney's speech but so far I have come up short.
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Ronald Reagan: 'Everybody that is for abortion has already been born'
"I never said I was worth it. I only said I wouldn't do it for less " William F. Buckley Jr.
in the aftermath of 9/11, many on tis board didn't hesitate for a moment in giving W a pass since it happened so early on his watch, and blaming the incident on Clinton. I guess i will give the current administration the same leeway for a similar time frame.
more troubling to me was OB's use of the term "prolonged detention". to me, this is scarily similar to the framework the prior administration used to hold "enemy combatants" indefinitely without trial. i will be curious to see the legal framework that POTUS promised would be put in place to support these "prolonged detentions".
in the aftermath of 9/11, many on tis board didn't hesitate for a moment in giving W a pass since it happened so early on his watch, and blaming the incident on Clinton. I guess i will give the current administration the same leeway for a similar time frame.
To make that statement is comparing apples to oranges. Clinton treated terrorism as a criminal act. That means your always on defense and must wait for something to happen before you have someone to procescute. Bush when he came into office, left Clinton's process in place due to several factors. one key factor had to do with the fact the Dems blocked many of Bush's appointments for a very long time. So lon g that even in Dec 2001, alost 50% were still waiting for confirmation by the Senate. That's 3 months after 9/11. Second key fact was the Jamie Gorelick's memo blocking the CIA from talking to the FBI. That wall of seperation prevented baldy's computer from being opened and looked at.
Now let's look at what Obama is doing. Is Obama making major changes to the Bush doctrine? I'm not totally sure. He talked the big talk on the campaign trail but he certainly hasn't really walked the walk. He seems to be the big flip flopper. What's the scariest things is the fact he wants to bring the idiots here on American soil where they will be under the juridiction of the court system. As long as they remain in Gitmo, the courts can't touch them and give the constitutional rights. That's when wse see what happens. Currently 1 in 7 held in Gitmo have returned to the battlefiled. Those that were released were considered low level, not in the fight. Whats left is the worst of the worst so that rate would likely to increase. All the more reason not to bring them here.
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more troubling to me was OB's use of the term "prolonged detention". to me, this is scarily similar to the framework the prior administration used to hold "enemy combatants" indefinitely without trial. i will be curious to see the legal framework that POTUS promised would be put in place to support these "prolonged detentions".
That's Obama's major screw up. He opened his mouth and inserted his foot. Now that he's the Prez he realizes it's hard to talk while sucking on his toes. He has all the legal justification and frame work in place thanks to GW. He even has a 1st class prison to keep them in. I b elieve he will be forced to keep Gitmo open and will eventually come around to that position just like his other flip flops he's quickly doing so far. The Dems are giving him ample cover to do so by not funding the transfers.
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John Adams “The moment the idea is admitted into society that property is not as sacred as the laws of God, and that there is not a force of law and public justice to protect it, anarchy and tyranny commence.”
Ronald Reagan: 'Everybody that is for abortion has already been born'
"I never said I was worth it. I only said I wouldn't do it for less " William F. Buckley Jr.
I ready parts of it. For the detention/torture issue, if you disagree with what was done, then you are right to blame Bush, Bush did it. If you believe Bush did right, you credit him, if you believe it was wrong, you blame him.
In my mind if you listen to the speach, there are issues. He says we basically angered the terrorists, sorry I don't buy that at all, I don't think anything we do will matter to them one way or another.
However Obama also said detaining people long term is wrong, we need to try and imprison them or let them go. Fair enough on a theory level. However he then contradicted himself saying there are some that we know are a danger and we are looking to move them to other countries. In other words, our laws don't allow us to imprison them, so we will give them to countries that can.
This was the basis for gitmo in the first place, don't bring em into USA. So, he is admitting there is a line where we have to conveinently bend/ignore the laws that govern our nation. Same line Bush admitted was there, he jsut puts it in a different place.
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RE: Good Grief. Did any one catch Obama's speech.
My problem with the whole speech is; He never laid out what he was going to do. Was that not the purpose for his address. Congress wants to know what Obama will do. Did they get that? Nope. They got more cheerleading and Bush bashing. Some time, or another, Obama is going to have to come up with a plan.
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Unintended consequences and God have one thing in common: Liberals don’t believe in either of them.
My problem with the whole speech is; He never laid out what he was going to do. Was that not the purpose for his address. Congress wants to know what Obama will do. Did they get that? Nope. They got more cheerleading and Bush bashing. Some time, or another, Obama is going to have to come up with a plan.
Bingo. No plan. Just the tired mantra that got him elected.
[BHO] Bush Bad!! Bush Bad!!! Bush Bad!!!![/BHO]
And, the dolts, idiots, morons, oddballs, cretins, rats, assclowns, turds and simpletons are satisfied.
Charles Krauthammer recently did a piece on Obama's conduct in matters like this. He pointed out that it is SOP for Obama to harshly criticize a lot of Bush's policies, but then just tweak them slightly and continue using them and acting like it is something completely different.
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Good Grief. Did any one catch Obama's speech.
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