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Old 05-20-2009, 03:36 AM   #1
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Wow ....... first off my brother in law has a type of lymph node cancer in his neck. Pretty much the same 80-95% remission rates applied however, and it seems this is often the case, the physicians missed some of the cancer, and it came back stronger and faster than ever and 6 months removed from the "fix" by doctors he's in worse shape than ever.

Not just that, I've watched several close friends/relatives die of cancer, and the "requiring" of "treatments" almost always fails.

I mean seriously don't they? How many cancer patients die? How many doctors really cure cancer?

They don't, do they? They treat it by surgery and drugs, don't they? And how successul is that?

I find myself rooting for this kid, if nothing else he'll die a drug free death, a radiation free death and there has to be a comfort there I'd think? I'm hoping for a situation where he comes out in 2 years and he's in so much better condition for lack of conventional medical treatments - wouldn't that be great ?

If Doctors can dictate what's in your best intrest with cancer treatment what else can they dictate ?





http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/05/19/minnesota.forced.chemo/index.html

(CNN)[/b] -- A Minnesota judge issued an arrest warrant Tuesday for the mother of Daniel Hauser, a 13-year-old boy who is refusing treatment for his cancer, after neither she nor the boy showed up for a court appearance.

"It is imperative that Daniel receive the attention of an oncologist as soon as possible," wrote Brown County District Judge John R. Rodenberg in an order to "apprehend and detain."

"His best interests require it," Rodenberg wrote.

The judge had scheduled the hearing to review an X-ray ordered by the court to assess whether Daniel's Hodgkin's lymphoma was worsening.
The boy's father, Anthony Hauser, did appear at Tuesday's hearing, where he testified that he last saw the mother, Colleen Hauser, at the family's farm on Monday night, when she told him she was going to leave "for a time."

He said he did not know where they had gone.

During the hearing, Dr. James Joyce testified he saw the boy and his mother on Monday at his office. He said the boy had "an enlarged lymph node" near his right clavicle and that the X-ray showed "significant worsening" of a mass in his chest. In addition, the boy complained of "extreme pain" at the site where a port had been inserted to deliver an initial round of chemotherapy. The pain was "most likely caused by the tumor or mass pressing on the port," testified Joyce, who called the X-ray "fairly dramatic" evidence that the cancer was worsening.

Rodenberg ordered custody of the boy transferred to Brown County Family Services and issued a contempt order for the mother.

A call to the family's home in Sleepy Eye, Minnesota, was not immediately returned.

Philip Elbert, Daniel's court-appointed attorney, said he considers his client to have a "diminished capacity" for reasons of his age and the illness and that he believes Daniel should be treated by a cancer specialist.
Elbert added that he does not believe Daniel -- who, according to court papers, cannot read -- has enough information to make an informed decision regarding his treatment.

Daniel's symptoms of persistent cough, fatigue and swollen lymph nodes were diagnosed in January as Hodgkins lymphoma. In February, the cancer responded well to an initial round of chemotherapy, but the treatment's side effects concerned the boy's parents, who then opted not to pursue further chemo and instead sought other medical opinions.

Court documents show that the doctors estimated the boy's chance of 5-year remission with more chemotherapy and possibly radiation at 80 percent to 95 percent.

But the family opted for a holistic medical treatment based upon Native American healing practices called Nemenhah and rejected further treatment.

In a written statement issued last week, an attorney for the parents said they "believe that the injection of chemotherapy into Danny Hauser amounts to an assault upon his body, and torture when it occurs over a long period of time."

Medical ethicists say parents generally have a legal right to make decisions for their children, but there is a limit.

"You have a right, but not an open-ended right," Arthur Caplan, director of the center for bioethics at the University of Pennsylvania, said last week. "You can't compromise the life of your child."

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Old 05-20-2009, 04:05 AM   #2
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Not just that, I've watched several close friends/relatives die of cancer, and the "requiring" of "treatments" almost always fails.

I mean seriously don't they? How many cancer patients die? How many doctors really cure cancer?

They don't, do they? They treat it by surgery and drugs, don't they? And how successul is that?

I find myself rooting for this kid, if nothing else he'll die a drug free death, a radiation free death and there has to be a comfort there I'd think? I'm hoping for a situation where he comes out in 2 years and he's in so much better condition for lack of conventional medical treatments - wouldn't that be great ?

If Doctors can dictate what's in your best intrest with cancer treatment what else can they dictate ?
Cancer survival is a numbers game dependent upon the ability of the patient to withstand treatments, the type of cancer and how far it has progressed. To withhold treatments is IMO a sure way to die. Treatments have and will continue to save lives and become more effective as technology improves. Survival remains a strong basic instinct in the human animal and to just lay back and accept death when there are alternatives doesn't make sense.
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To withhold treatments is IMO a sure way to die
I didn't read that the parents wanted to withhold treatment did you?

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They chose a treatment they believed best ........... and like you said its a numbers game, we know cancer isn't cured, its cut out and given radiation treatments etc - there is no cause to cure it, only to treat it.

Good money there too I might add, almost an unexhaustable cash cow when you treat something and not cure it huh? [:@]
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Old 05-20-2009, 04:40 AM   #4
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I am not really sure I can buy the statement that there is no cure for cancer. Certain drugs shrink or eliminate tumors but not in all cases. The research is still going on to figure out why some cells respond and others do not. Even removing a cancerous tumor is a form of cure from my way of thinking especially if meds or treatments prevent the reoccurrence. I can't discount holistic treatments but if I were faced with a situation where I had to decide I would opt for conventional treatments with real doctors.
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I think we need to keep in mind that great strides have been made in treating the type of cancer this kid has and most especially in the treatment of it in children. He could possibly be cured here and live a good long life. Doing nothing will most certainly not be the better alternative here. I don't know about how the legal process should come into play here, but someone should surely have a good long talk with his parents and tell them the facts behind the treatments available and how they just might help him.
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Obviously, if the kid is 13 and has the capacity and yet can't read, the parents have a few "parenting issues". Guess there's no cure for chronic jackass either.
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Old 05-20-2009, 07:24 AM   #7
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The arrest warrant was issued because the mother didn't show up for court not because of the treatment she wanted her son to have right?

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Old 05-20-2009, 07:37 AM   #8
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In terms of a treatment like Chemo, I've seen it work very well for several friends who had cancer. If you compare the survival rates for people diagnosed with various forms of cancer-type stuff in the past when treatment really wasnt available with current treatment availability, you will find that the odds in are favor of those who go with standard forms of treatment. And treatment is not including "holistic" strategies where you wear crystals, sleep under pyramids, eat nothing but buckwheat pancakes, etc.
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Old 05-20-2009, 07:51 AM   #9
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Why can't this kid read at 13, was he home schooled, does he have a mental disorder, parent do a bad job of educating him?

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Maybe they could have him handle snakes too.

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Old 05-20-2009, 08:01 AM   #10
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Ok some other qoutes I've found.

Mom feels son isn't really sick and looked on the internet for herbal treatments?????????


"The kid says he's not sick and the mom says she'll treat it if it's an emergency," Miles said of the Hauser case. "With cancer, if it's an emergency, it's too late."

The judge wrote that Daniel has only a "śrudimentary understanding at best of the risks and benefits of chemotherapy. ... he does not believe he is ill currently. The fact is that he is very ill currently


Doctors have said Daniel"™s cancer had a 90 percent chance of being cured with chemotherapy and radiation. Without those treatments, doctors said his chances of survival are 5 percent. Child protection workers accused Daniel"™s parents of medical neglect, and went to court seeking custody.

Court testimony indicated Daniel"™s tumor shrank after the first round of chemo, but has since grown. His mother, Colleen Hauser, testified last week: "śMy son is not in any medical danger at this point."ť
She has been treating his cancer with herbal supplements, vitamins, ionized water, and other natural alternatives she learned about on the Internet "” despite testimony from five doctors who agreed Daniel needed chemotherapy. Daniel told the judge during closed testimony that he has also been eating "śgreen food"ť such as broccoli and beans, as well as eggs and fruit.
In his ruling, Rodenberg noted that at age 13, Daniel can"™t read. "śHe lacks the ability to give informed consent to medical procedures,"ť Rodenberg said.
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