California Fires

[Canuck_Buck]

I put on my Libby hat for a moment and came up with this....[8D]

Does california have to pay a higher carbon tax for all those fires that are polluting the skies over california and america>?

Are california polluters themselves responsible for the carbon increases that cause weather pattern changes that cause dry weather all the time? Who is to blame? Who should pay for the mess? Obama or Arnold?

I fear for those innocent people still in the path of the flames and I hope these fires do not escalate further. This email is in no way intended to mock or belittle those suffering from those fires. God bless em.

Schwarzenegger Issues Executive Order to Boost State's Wildfire Preparedness and Resources ...from the article:

WHEREAS changing climate has impacted California"™s weather patterns and fuel conditions, resulting in an increased risk of wildfire; and

WHEREAS current below-normal precipitation, seasonally higher-than-normal temperatures, strong winds, and low relative humidity combined with dead, dying and diseased trees have contributed to heavy fuel loads and the early drying of wildland vegetation; and

WHEREAS these readily available fuel loads create an imminent threat of catastrophic fires; and

WHEREAS last year California experienced devastating wildfires that destroyed lives, property, businesses, critical infrastructure, and the environment and resulted in the largest deployment of firefighting resources in state history; and

WHEREAS this year, California once again finds itself facing an imminent threat of devastating wildfires and imminent peril to people and property; and

WHEREAS federal aviation assets continue to be limited; and

WHEREAS coordinated fire prevention, aggressive fuel reduction programs and strong initial attack resources are essential to protect people, property and the environment in California; and

WHEREAS the increased risk of catastrophic wildfires throughout California may result in harmful, secondary environmental effects, including increased emissions of air pollutants; diminished air and water quality; impacted watershed and soil stability; and compromised populations and habitats of sensitive and endangered fish and wildlife species; and

WHEREAS the increased risk of catastrophic wildfires could significantly impact state efforts to reduce greenhouse gases due to significant uncontrolled emissions of greenhouse gases caused by wildfire; and

WHEREAS immediate action is needed to respond to these conditions and to protect people, as well as the property, economy and environment throughout California, from the negative impacts of catastrophic wildfires.

Does the carbon credit deal mean that california owes money to those states that hardly fart a green house gas?

[Knightia]

I put on my Libby hat for a moment and came up with this....[8D]

Dont forget the matching big greenie fairy shoes to go with that hat

Dont they have to prove the cause & effects for any climate changes etc?
Hell im going to sue Ca & there big daddy in DCgov both[:-]

[BigTiny]

ORIGINAL: Canuck_Buck

Are california polluters themselves responsible for the carbon increases that cause weather pattern changes that cause dry weather all the time? Who is to blame? Who should pay for the mess? Obama or Arnold?

From what I understand, it is very difficult for forest rangers to do controlled burns in CA. They get protesters and a bunch of public flak about disturbing animals. That state is designed to burn periodically, controlled burns are the only way to eliminate the fuel that causes the massive fires. It's too late now, anyway. The state government couldn't even buy matches to start one if they wanted.

[Knightia]

Seems like it will cost the gov 100 billion(bet thats a low ball #) justto upgrade the grid so they can, ship& sell that "greenie power" to far off places where ppl live[&:].( that small % of green power they "hope" to generate"someday" will be costing a whole lot of $$$$$$ in many ways it seems)

And "they" will take private property to do it- i hope many of thoseppl involved take them to court& congress to & tax the wind while there at it.
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Landowners: Slow down wind energy
By DUSTIN BLEIZEFFER
Star-Tribune energy reporter
Sunday, May 10, 2009 2:04 AM MDT
DOUGLAS -- Dozens of rural landowners want to "curb enthusiasm for" and ultimately kill plans to plant wind turbines and string a green-field power line segment across the northern Laramie Range in Converse and Albany counties.

The areas in question are mostly private lands described as pristine mountain wilderness and home to some of the best elk herds in the state.

"It's finally dawned on us what the scale of wind development plans is in the state," said Kenneth C. Lay, a Laramie Range landowner and organizer of the new landowners group, Northern Laramie Range Alliance.

More than 100 people gathered in Douglas on Thursday as part of the alliance's effort to stop two separate projects under consideration in the Laramie Range.
First, Utah-based Wasatch Wind is reportedly trying to put together land deals in the area for a commercial-scale wind farm. Separately, Rocky Mountain Power and Utah Power are partnered in the Gateway West transmission project, a 1,150-mile-long power line requiring a 350-foot-wide corridor spanning from Glenrock to Medicine Bow and all the way to Boise, Idaho.

http://www.trib.com/articles/2009/05/10/news/wyoming/62e3cb839b30c08c872575b100212ba8.txt

"We all share concern about the future of Laramie Range and what it looks like. When you're thinking about what we're looking at, it's not just the transmission line and it's not just wind (turbines). It's both," said Laramie Range landowner Diemer True, who is also a prominent Wyoming businessman.

It's the most recent in several "not-in-my-backyard" controversies to erupt in Wyoming since plans materialized to install enough new electric transmission to enable some 10,000 new megawatts of electrical generation in and around Wyoming.
Currently, there are three key "Gateway" electrical transmission upgrades planned in the West, setting the stage for the largest U.S. electrical grid upgrade in 20 years, according to officials

Lay encouraged Laramie Range landowners to map cultural and historically significant sites and submit those to the state as a way of discouraging the 1E segment. Several audience members hailed the news that a state-imposed sales tax holiday for commercial wind energy equipment will soon end, and asked whether state officials should consider some sort of severance tax on wind.

Landowners also expressed interest in revisiting Wyoming's eminent domain laws to ensure private property rights are reasonably protected. Local officials said several counties across Wyoming are struggling with how to establish zoning regulations in order to separate wind turbines from rural housing.

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Many gains and a big constraint for wind industry
By DAVID MERCER
Associated Press writer
Sunday, May 10, 2009 2:04 AM MDT
CHICAGO -- A nagging issue wound its way through the chatter at what was an otherwise celebratory event for the nation's wind industry in Chicago.

The U.S. has become the world's biggest wind-power generator and of the electricity production added in the country last year, 42 percent came from wind turbines. But as more megawatts come on line, the problem of getting power from wind-swept plains to places where people actually live becomes more urgent.

((( well ppl live here( we just are not overrun yet by urban/metro crap & large number of ppls))- its not suprizing that figure above though- with all thats being done to shut down& not build any new coal plants that where already planed etc))



But building power lines is more difficult. It can take five years or more, most of it spent figuring out sticky issues of finance and location.

There are usually dozens of parties involved -- the power producers and buyers, and the states, local governments and landowners who all want a say in where a power line sits.

The wind industry wants the Federal Regulatory Commission to have the final say on power lines.
Legislation now working its way through Congress would let FERC set locations for high-priority transmission projects if state and local officials can't do it on their own.

[Knightia]

Press Releases









Guard and Reserve aerial firefighting resources scheduled to conduct annual training in Arizona




CHEYENNE, Wyoming -- The Wyoming Air National Guard's 153rd Airlift Wing in Cheyenne, Wyo., in coordination with the Coronado National Forest in southeastern Arizona, will host the annual Modular Airborne Fire Fighting System training in Tucson, Ariz., from May 3-9.
Wyo. Air Guard to host MAFFS training in Arizona









CHEYENNE, Wyoming -- The Wyoming Air National Guard will send personnel and aircraft to Tucson, Ariz., to host the annual aerial firefighting training from May 3 - 9. The Wyoming Air Guard is one of four military units nationwide equipped with - and trained to operate - the U.S. Forest Service's Modular Airborne Fire Fighting System. The four MAFFS-designated military units must perform refresher training each spring before the start to wild-land fire season.

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Better-equipped National Guard still eyes critical shortages

WASHINGTON -- Equipment that's critical to both domestic and warfighting missions and aircraft that are essential to guarding the nation's air sovereignty remain areas of concern for the National Guard.

Arizona medics go "Beyond the Horizon" to help Jamaican people

TUCSON, Ariz. -- They arrived before the crack of dawn, some camped nearby waiting to be the first in line when the doors opened, but they weren't waiting for concert tickets or a 'Black Friday' sale; they were waiting for much-needed health care

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Yep no doubt there are plenty of greenies who would like to save all trees being cut downor thinned& ornot see one burn( just makes for bigger fires later).But It will happen in Ca ^ & elsewhere- wildland fires are nothing new for sure.

Smaller controlled fires are prefured- and when things do burn out of control anywhere- there will be ppl therefrom here & elsewheretrying to save there lives & homes from distruction.

[Knightia]

Meanwhile it says here that -they(DkRW?) will be selling off thecaptured C02 etc- whilemakeing (Ge?)coal/fuel down the road?Hmmm.

The Medicine Bow facility will use General Electric Co.'s coal gasification technology to produce a synthetic gas from which nearly all the sulfur and CO2 can be removed, according to DKRW. The "syngas" is then liquefied using the Fischer-Tropsch technology, which DKRW has licensed from Rentech, Inc.

Yud expect to find carbon in a placecalled Carbon county ,Wy hmm?and in wy a red desert( powder rivers made of dust & snow)


I got a great deal on green Ge light "green"bulbs at sams club recently..

I can save the planet now r-?while burning myrailroad ties/ boxes ,paper, cow piesetc etcright?( maybe get a coal stove to)

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liquids permit under fire
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By DUSTIN BLEIZEFFER
Star-Tribune energy reporter
Saturday, May 9, 2009 2:02 AM MDT
CASPER -- The Sierra Club has filed an appeal to state regulator officials seeking more stringent emission limits for Medicine Bow Fuel & Power, LLC's proposed coal-to-gasoline refinery in Carbon County.

The appeal was filed Monday with the Wyoming Environmental Quality Council, which oversees environmental regulations guiding the Wyoming Department of Environmental Quality.
The charge is that the state didn't go far enough in its air emissions permit to protect human health and the environment. Sierra Club argued that the plant and related operations would emit enough soot, smog and dust that it wouldn't leave enough room in the region's airshed for emissions related to wind energy development.
Carbon County is also targeted for dozens of wind energy projects, which could potentially add to dust emissions because of related road networks.
"This is the nation's least populated state and we shouldn't' have to be worrying about the air we breathe, and yet from Powder River Basin to Pinedale we are," said Brad Mohrmann, Sierra Club's associate regional representative.
Medicine Bow Fuel & Power's parent company, DKRW Energy, said the Sierra Club's appeal is completely without merit.

"We meet all emissions criteria. (DEQ) held open public meetings. They're looking out for the people of the state and their health," said Robert C. Kelly, a founding partner of DKRW Energy.
As proposed, the plant is permitted to emit:
- up to 3 million metric tons of carbon dioxide annually;
- 175 tons of nitrogen oxides;
- 36.6 tons of sulfur dioxides;
- 310 tons of particulate matter (dust);
- 176 tons of carbon monoxide;
- 188 tons of volatile organic compounds;
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- 23.6 tons of "hazardous air pollutants."
Kelly reiterated that DKRW intends to capture CO2, the main greenhouse gas contributing to global warming, from the coal gasification process, and market the CO2 for enhanced oil recovery or geologic sequestration.
The coal-to-liquids facility would have an output capacity of 18,000 to 20,000 barrels per day. The project also involves restarting a coal mine operation in the area to provide a feedstock for the refinery.
Kelly said it will be the first coal-based transportation fuels facility in the United States, which provides a strong fuel feedstock for the Rocky Mountain Region while reducing the nation's need for foreign oil imports. He said the refinery will produce ultra-low sulfur fuel that meets or beats gasoline standards.
"It will employ up to 2,300 construction workers for four years and 450 workers full time over the life of the project," Kelly said. "We're committed to making this happen."
Mohrmann said Wyoming would do better to focus on wind energy development.
"The Medicine Bow liquid coal plant comes with a host of problems: it threatens our health, our air and core sage grouse habitat," Mohrmann said. "Wind, on the other hand, is a growing industry that can help meet our energy needs, create good clean energy jobs and create a sustainable energy future. The choice is clear."
The Medicine Bow facility will use General Electric Co.'s coal gasification technology to produce a synthetic gas from which nearly all the sulfur and CO2 can be removed, according to DKRW. The "syngas" is then liquefied using the Fischer-Tropsch technology, which DKRW has licensed from Rentech, Inc.
http://www.trib.com/articles/2009/05/09/news/wyoming/b25abb7759ce1343872575b0007d6841.txt

[Knightia]

If DC or Ca etc etc needs any wolfs,grizzlys, nuk/ clear icbms etc we have a few extra i think.

Maybetheyare moving south (and downhill?)because of global warming & or cooling?(or they want to spread out from the park & tetons?)






Grizzlies spotted south of normal Wyo habitat








A grizzly bear walks through some remaining snow in Grand Teton National Park recently. While it's not unusual to see a grizzly in Grand Teton, the animal appears to be expanding its habitat. A grizzly was reportedly feeding on a moose carcass recently in the Snake River Canyon.[/align][hr]
By The Associated Press
Saturday, May 9, 2009 2:02 AM MDT



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By The Associated Press
Saturday, May 9, 2009 2:02 AM MDT











[/align]JACKSON -- A grizzly bear has been spotted miles past what is normally considered the southern boundary of occupied grizzly habitat in northwest Wyoming.

Wyoming Game and Fish officials reported a grizzly feeding on a moose carcass in the Snake River Canyon.

Wildlife managers removed the carcass, which was about 30 yards from the road, to keep the bear from getting hit on the highway or acting aggressively toward people. The carcass was about halfway between Hoback Junction and Alpine Junction.

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[kevin1]

One of the many things that used to make me want to hurl back when I lived in southern Kookifagia was the incessant whining about the wildfires that they endure each year. In San Diego Co. where I lived dozens of very expensive homes would burn to the ground each year because even though they were located in rural or semirural areas their owners were prohibited from employing the traditional remedy of mowing brush or plowing fire rings around their properties to protect them from the seasonal fires. Why? Because some supposedly endangered rat livedin the brush and couldn't be disturbed according to the environmentalists who enforced this in the courts. Now the fact that the brush habitat that exists in these western county areas is the exact same brush habitat that exists on the eastern side of the county, which could easily allow relocation of these precious vermin, somehow eluded these well meaning champions, so millions of dollars worth of fine homes bites the bag every year.

[burniegoeasily]

We need to sue Cali. for being stupid. Lets put the pieces together. They live in a tender box, that does not allow for brush removal. Add to the fact it is impossible to have controle burns with out the greenies throwing a fit. So what do they expect. I have a cousin living there, and he is not allowed to remove brush from his lot. Last time Cali burned, the fires burned right up to his house. He was one of the few that lived up wind of the fires at that point. But next time he might not be as lucky.

So either Cali. needs to remove its restrictions, prohibit people from living in these areas, or make a policy of "build at your own risk" (you burn down, oh well, to bad).

[C. Davis]

ORIGINAL: burniegoeasily

We need to sue Cali. for being stupid.........

I think they prefer to be called progressive. [&:]

C. Davis