and from last nights speech.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2005/no...worldwar.world
Between July 1940 and September 1948.... "The London Cage was run by MI19, the section of the War Office responsible for
gleaning information from enemy prisoners of war, and few outside this organization knew exactly what went on beyond the single barbed-wire fence that separated the three houses from the busy streets and grand parks of west London."
"The London Cage was used partly as a torture center, inside which large numbers of German officers and soldiers were subjected to systematic ill-treatment. In total 3,573 men passed through the Cage, and more than 1,000 were persuaded to give statements about war crimes. The brutality did not end with the war, moreover: a number of German civilians joined the servicemen who were interrogated there up to 1948."
"An assessment by MI5 pointed out that Scotland had detailed repeated breaches of the Geneva convention, with his admissions that prisoners had been forced to kneel while being beaten about the head; forced to stand to attention for up to 26 hours; threatened with execution; or threatened with "an unnecessary operation.""
Sounds much worse than waterboarding to me.?.?
There was an even worse place called, "Bad Nenndorf." This place was in Germany and was occupied by British soldiers after the World War II was over.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2005/de...ar.topstories3
"... The older people of Bad Nenndorf talk about August 1, 1945, the day the British arrived, with undisguised bitterness. A convoy of trucks pulled into the village, and the Tommies took over from an easygoing US infantry division. Within hours, the British had ordered everybody in the center of the village to pack their belongings and leave. Bad Nenndorf was heaving with refugees from the bomb-ravaged ruins of Hanover, 18 miles to the east: hundreds of people were given 90 minutes to pack some food and valuables, and get out."
"Prisoners complained thumbscrews and "shin screws" were employed at the prison."..... "small, round scars that he had seen on the legs of two men, "which were said to be the result of the use of some instrument to facilitate questioning.""
It looks like, when we raise our standards to Winston Churchill when he said, "When all was over, torture and cannibalism were the only two expedients that the civilized, scientific, Christian states had been able to deny themselves: and these were of doubtful utility." ... maybe he wasn't all that high and mighty after all..??