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Old 04-22-2009, 06:10 AM   #1
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Default Interesting read about why it took so long to shoot the pirates.

Got this as an email from a good friend. Have not had a chance to research it, so Ill post it here. People here are pretty quick about setting the record straight.



From a Boeing buddy:

Having spoken to some SEAL pals here in Virginia Beach yesterday and asking why this thing dragged out for 4 days, I got the following:

1. BHO wouldn't authorize the DEVGRU/NSWC SEAL teams to the scene for 36 hours going against OSC (on scene commander) recommendation.
2. Once they arrived, BHO imposed restrictions on their ROE that they couldn't do anything unless the hostage's life was in "imminent" danger
3. The first time the hostage jumped, the SEALS had the raggies all sighted in, but could not fire due to ROE restriction
4. When the navy RIB came under fire as it approached with supplies, no fire was returned due to ROE restrictions. As the raggies were shooting at the RIB, they were exposed and the SEALS had them all dialed in.
5. BHO specifically denied two rescue plans developed by the Bainbridge CPN and SEAL teams
6. Bainbridge CPN and SEAL team CDR finally decide they have the OpArea and OSC authority to solely determine risk to hostage. 4 hours later, 3 dead raggies
7. BHO immediately claims credit for his "daring and decisive" behaviour. As usual with him, it's BS.
So per our last email thread, I'm downgrading Oohbaby's performace to D-. Only reason it's not an F is that the hostage survived. Read the following accurate account.

Philips' first leap into the warm, dark water of the Indian Ocean Bainbridge in range and a rescue by his country's Navy possible, Philips threw himself off of his lifeboat prison, enabling Navy shooters onboard the destroyer a clear shot at his captors - and none was taken.

The guidance from National Command Authority - the president of the United States, Barack Obama - had been clear: a peaceful solution was the only acceptable outcome to this standoff unless the hostage's life was in clear, extreme danger.

The next day, a small Navy boat approaching the floating raft was fired on by the Somali pirates - and again no fire was returned and no pirates killed. This was again due to the cautious stance assumed by Navy personnel thanks to the combination of a lack of clear guidance from Washington and a mandate from the commander in chief's staff not to act until Obama, a man with no background of dealing with such issues and no track record of decisiveness, decided that any outcome other than a "peaceful solution" would be acceptable.

After taking fire from the Somali kidnappers again Saturday night, the onscenecommander decided he'd had enough.

Keeping his authority to act in the case of a clear and present danger to the hostage's life and having heard nothing from Washington since yet another request to mount a rescue operation had been denied the day before, the Navy officer - unnamed in all media reports to date - decided the AK47 one captor had leveled at Philips' back was a threat to the hostage's life and ordered the NSWC team to take their shots.

Three rounds downrange later, all three brigands became enemy KIA and Philips was safe.

There is upside, downside, and spinside to the series of events over the last week that culminated in yesterday's dramatic rescue of an American hostage.

Almost immediately following word of the rescue, the Obama administration and its supporters claimed victory against pirates in the Indian Ocean and [1] declared that the dramatic end to the standoff put paid to questions of the inexperienced president's toughness and decisiveness.

Despite the Obama administration's (and its sycophants') attempt to spin yesterday's success as a result of bold, decisive leadership by the inexperienced president, the reality is nothing of the sort.

What should have been a standoff lasting only hours - as long as it took the USS Bainbridge and its team of NSWC operators to steam to the location - became an embarrassing four day and counting standoff between a ragtag handful of criminals with rifles and a U.S. Navy warship.
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Old 04-22-2009, 06:34 AM   #2
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Default RE: Interesting read about why it took so long to shoot the pirates.

And so.... we delete another line out of my "good news from Obamaland" thread...

[BHO]What you people need to do is develop empathy for our suffering brothers around the world. Those were not pirates, they were environmentalists seeking recompense for the damage done by evil shipping companies to their coastline.

Don't be troubled, my Somali brethren, the Bainbridge captain will soon be working the galley in a rowboat in Antarctica.[/BHO]
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Old 04-22-2009, 06:45 AM   #3
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Default RE: Interesting read about why it took so long to shoot the pirates.

i have heard this from a few people i guest the ship Capitan said seems his in danger shoot them.
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Old 04-22-2009, 07:00 AM   #4
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While I was willing to give dopey his due, and credit him with decisive action, I had my doubts.
A bullet takes a fraction of a second to resolve a situation....yet we stat for 4 days. Hardly
decisive on dopey's part. In fact, if it was not for the Navy's assessment that the captain was
in fact in danger, and in light of the ephemeral quality of dopey's engagement guidelines, it is the
Navy skipper's willingness to interpret dopey's indecisiveness into decisive action that saved the day.
So it's all good; dopey is still the schmuck I knew him to be, and our armed forces have yet again
climbed another rung up on the ladder of respect and esteem in which I hold them.
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Old 04-22-2009, 10:19 AM   #5
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Default RE: Interesting read about why it took so long to shoot the pirates.

This has all the signs of an internet hoax:
- heard from a friend who got it in email
- was talking to SEALs (who weren't involved)
- details about things that would be classified

I have no doubt it could have happened faster, but things like ROE, orders from president to a ship captain etc. and details from SEALS them selves would all be classified and would not become public.
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Old 04-22-2009, 10:29 AM   #6
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Default RE: Interesting read about why it took so long to shoot the pirates.

Here's a Washington Times article on the subject.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...s-for-pirates/
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Old 04-22-2009, 11:07 AM   #7
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ORIGINAL: ipscshooter

Here's a Washington Times article on the subject.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/apr/22/obama-okd-2-seal-teams-for-pirates/

did I miss something, or does this Washington Times article support Bob H's contention of an
internet fairy tale ?
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Old 04-22-2009, 11:54 AM   #8
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Default RE: Interesting read about why it took so long to shoot the pirates.

I assure you that the Skipper of the ship that the SEALS fired from Needed NO permission or approval of the President to order the SEAL team to the area and carry out the mission. A rescue at sea is no place for any politician to be involved.
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Old 04-22-2009, 12:06 PM   #9
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Default RE: Interesting read about why it took so long to shoot the pirates.

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ORIGINAL: ipscshooter

Here's a Washington Times article on the subject.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/apr/22/obama-okd-2-seal-teams-for-pirates/

did I miss something, or does this Washington Times article support Bob H's contention of aninternet fairy tale ?
It does tend to lend support to Bob H's contention. Tends to suggest more of internet "exaggeration" than internet "fairy tale". And, the WT is not what you'd typically call "left wing media" inclined to spin things in favor of BHO.
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