Phil - sorry that you lost your job, but like many others in wood products industries lately, you should have seen it coming.
First I want to say thank you..We saw it coming but not to the extent it has fallen down on us. We thought we would be looking at down a month and up a month until the storm passes. That is not what's going on though. We do look forward to starting back up once all the pieces come together though. It will be hard for a while but most of us are survivers though.
We in fact do have a working forest up here in Maine. We have fought back all the tree huggers who want to make Maine a big park and the like. We have a large moose population that can only come from a working forest.. As moose like to eat saplings growing up from the cuttings. That is not what pushed the price of wood upwards right now. It was the cost of feul prices from cutting and delivering that brought the prices up. Also with a few added Bio Boilers to help keep the prices up as well.
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Let's preserve our natural resources, but let's call a spade a spade here. There IS a cost to doing so - and YOU arepaying it. THAT is why your mill is shutting down. Demand for the product didn't go down, it just found a cheaper supplier than the United States timber industry.
I am calling a spade a spade do your research and you see that the South American products are being dumped on the open markets right now and with our excess tonage setting in warehouses there is not much sence in making more of it. We do have customers even though we are shuting down right now. We can not keep the plant profitable running at slow speeds..They also do not exspect us to be down for a year or more. So it is a wait and see type of situation. Domtar likes our opperation and wants to see it back up when things start turning around and we are hoping that will happen this fall..
Phil, your arguements are verey old and rambling on. It's always someones else that is dumping their product on the US. Get a clue and find some other line of work.
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"he couldn't sell watermelons if it, you gave him the state troopers to flag down the traffic." Dan Rather on Obama
Phil, your arguements are verey old and rambling on. It's always someones else that is dumping their product on the US. Get a clue and find some other line of work.
I guess it is you who really doesn't have a clue!! Canada just got nailed for violating the FREE TRADE AGREEMENT... 54.? million dollar penalty for dumping lumber. Canada does not disagree with the violation but does question the penalty for it. You just set there and tell us how great it is to keep putting Americans out of work some more will you.. Free Trade is not working and it will be getting changed..
Phil, your arguements are verey old and rambling on. It's always someones else that is dumping their product on the US. Get a clue and find some other line of work.
I guess it is you who really doesn't have a clue!! Canada just got nailed for violating the FREE TRADE AGREEMENT... 54.? million dollar penalty for dumping lumber. Canada does not disagree with the violation but does question the penalty for it. You just set there and tell us how great it is to keep putting Americans out of work some more will you.. Free Trade is not working and it will be getting changed..
No it's you who have no clue. You brought up NAFTA and then went on about South America. Since NAFTA was signed well over 20 million jobs were created. Those are real facts. You complained again about NAFTA and then go on about China. WTF, they have nothing to do with NAFTA. It's you who seem to have a problem with work all the time. Looks like to me, you need to find another line of work or move on. Your union isn't doing a very good job right now saving your job are they? I bet the union pres still has his paycheck though.
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"Listen he's a nice person, he's very articulate"....
"he couldn't sell watermelons if it, you gave him the state troopers to flag down the traffic." Dan Rather on Obama
Looks like to me, you need to find another line of work or move on. Your union isn't doing a very good job right now saving your job are they? I bet the union pres still has his paycheck though.
I bet not that will be stopped and waived until everyone gets back to work.. Can't afford to let it mess up unemployment and TAA. I will be getting trained on a different trade until the mill gets back up and running though. Taa is good if you can prove your job is lost to foriegn companies.. Canada does fall under NAFTA to doesn't it? I will agree that South american does use a different name for it though like CAFTA. With so many being signed on with free trade agreements it's no wonder why American after American are loosing thier jobs every where..
Looks like to me, you need to find another line of work or move on. Your union isn't doing a very good job right now saving your job are they? I bet the union pres still has his paycheck though.
I bet not that will be stopped and waived until everyone gets back to work.. Can't afford to let it mess up unemployment and TAA. I will be getting trained on a different trade until the mill gets back up and running though. Taa is good if you can prove your job is lost to foriegn companies.. Canada does fall under NAFTA to doesn't it? I will agree that South american does use a different name for it though like CAFTA. With so many being signed on with free trade agreements it's no wonder why American after American are loosing thier jobs every where..
You need to quit digging while your in a hole. CAFTA stands for Central America Free Trade Agreement. South America isn't included. However, as far as Canada stands, so what? The system works if they were found guilty of dumping. That doesn't change the fact that over 20 million jobs were created after NAFTA was signed. Furthermore, that doesn't change the fact that wages have increased since NAFTA was signed. In fact they have increase at the same pace if not more then the last several decades. Those are real facts not the BS you here drinking with your union buddies.
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"Listen he's a nice person, he's very articulate"....
"he couldn't sell watermelons if it, you gave him the state troopers to flag down the traffic." Dan Rather on Obama
Fact is what you are preaching clearly is not working as the economy is surely reflecting how great your dream world is out in space.. Not only is our economy crashing but the rest of the world's with it.. Time for you to stop your dreaming on how great it really is.. All you have to do is open your eyes up just a little bit and you would surely see that.. But then again if you are for putting Americans out of work then we can understand why you can not see past your nose..
Fact is what you are preaching clearly is not working as the economy is surely reflecting how great your dream world is out in space.. Not only is our economy crashing but the rest of the world's with it.. Time for you to stop your dreaming on how great it really is.. All you have to do is open your eyes up just a little bit and you would surely see that.. But then again if you are for putting Americans out of work then we can understand why you can not see past your nose..
Recessions happen. They always do and that is a fact. What you need to wake up to is how an administration reacts to it. Obama is screwing this up big time but in his mind, he is doing something he could never get done, "Government Control". You sit there and blindly deny what's really going on. We have an ANTI-BUSINESS guy in the White House. How in the world does anyone risk anything if the White House is allowed to choose winners and loosers? They now control 2 of the big three auto makers, all the big banks and now are planning on controling any company they want to. That's Hugo Chavez talk.
I've got news for you, nothing will turn around anytime soon until congress changes hands and really when Obama is sent packing. This weekend, I can't tell you how many times I heard Dems claiming employment lags a recovery. We heard the complete oposite when Bush was in office. We keep hearing, "We're in a jobless recovery". How did they know this? Fact is, we're not in any recovery and have no recovery insight. If and when we find ourselves in recovery, we will find jobs not lagging too far behind unlike Bush's recovery. Do you know why? I bet you don't for the same reason you never answered the question of "Who pays the value added tax?". The answer on why jobs won't lag too far behind is because inventory isn't very high like the 2001 recession. Corporations haven't built in excess.
Phil, do some more studiing and quit digging yourself a hole. Many Americans don't look towards government for retraining. Many who know their job is going away, heck many don't need to know their job is gone tomorrow, already have a plan B ready to go. I have C and D ready to go. Don't think for a minute I'm not under severe pressure to put numbers up. I'm under more pressure then you can imagine. However, I have at leastanother 6 figure job waiting for me, A patent pending with a business plan half on paper just looking for investors andan escape plan should I decide to say the heck with it and take a few years off.I know I will be fine and you should too if you look towards yourself not the government to save you.
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"Listen he's a nice person, he's very articulate"....
"he couldn't sell watermelons if it, you gave him the state troopers to flag down the traffic." Dan Rather on Obama
I am calling a spade a spade do your research and you see that the South American products are being dumped on the open markets right now and with our excess tonage setting in warehouses there is not much sence in making more of it.
Phil, you're making my point and you're not realizing it. What makes it POSSIBLE for these other countries to "dump" products on our markets (and particularly wood-fiber products)?
Why does product sit in your warehouse, or any other warehouse for that matter? It's most likely because the price it'll fetch is less than what it's worth to the company - at least today. That price is driven down by excess supply coming infrom other countries - and it's not just from South American countries.
These other countries don't have the stringent labor, manufacturing, or environmental restrictions Domtar must work within here in the United States. Domtar probably doesn't have the ability to underpay and overharvest in order to dominate the market.
Unfortunately, I don't see that changing. Not at least until those countries are similarly regulated, particularly in terms of environmental preservation. They'll likely be out of forests before that happens. As long as we demand toilet paper, they'll cut down their trees to make a buck. Domtar doesn't have that going for it, does it? Considering that most foreign workers don't have the standard of living and benefitsAmerican workers typically enjoy either, it's very unlikely that labor costs there will EVER be comparable to labor costs here.
Thewood-fiber industry is dying a sure death here in the United States. We'll enjoy our brown pine beetle-killed, snag-filled National Forests, while South Americans will wonder what the trees that used to cover it looked like.
Considering that most foreign workers don't have the standard of living and benefitsAmerican workers typically enjoy either, it's very unlikely that labor costs there will EVER be comparable to labor costs here.
Basicaly this would make some sence.. However when a company from here moves or builds a new plant they have to pay an even higher dollar to those brought in to run the plant because of risk factors. They get paid on the top end alot higher than those here. With state of the art equipment very little is needed from the lower end guys and they get paid on the low side that is for sure. Most of these guys are not really needed but hired tokeep peace with the host countries. What they have is newer more machines with higher out put. With no or very little safety and environmental standards..
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Phil, you're making my point and you're not realizing it. What makes it POSSIBLE for these other countries to "dump" products on our markets (and particularly wood-fiber products)?
I am not claiming it to be just wood fiber products.. Here though wood fiber products has always been our manufacturing base and that is why it is refered to the most.
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Taa is good if you can prove your job is lost to foriegn companies.. Canada does fall under NAFTA to doesn't it? I will agree that South american does use a different name for it though like CAFTA. With so many being signed on with free trade agreements it's no wonder why American after American are loosing thier jobs every where..
