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Old 04-02-2009, 01:34 PM   #1
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For those dying to take advantage of next year's zero percent federal "death tax," they may want to kill those plans.
President Obama's budget keeps the estate tax at its 2009 level, which means the government gets 45 percent of a dead person's estate valued over $3.5 million dollars or $7 million for a couple.
Republicans argue this tax doesn't just strike the wealthy.
"It destroys a lot of small businesses and a lot of family farms and ranches in America," said Sen. John Ensign, R-Nev.
"People who aren't wealthy, who may have built up value in land over generations and many family farms find themselves in situations where they've got to sell the farm in order the pay the taxes," said House Minority Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio.
In 2001 and 2003, Republicans helped push through President Bush's tax cuts that lowered the estate tax from 55 percent to 45 percent this year and would have eliminated them next year.
Democrats contend that keeping the tax rate at 45 percent in 2010 is still a break from the 55 percent and insist the federal coffers would take too much of a hit if Congress completely repealed the tax.
"The total repeal would have a substantial additional impact on revenues," said Rep. John Spratt, D-S.C. "And this is also a time when we need to -- we simply can't be profligate about tax cuts. And we think we struck a good balance."
Yet Obama's own top economic advisor, Larry Summers, took an interesting position on the passage of wealth from one generation to the next.
"The evidence presented indicates that intergenerational transfers account for the vast majority of aggregate U.S. capital formation," he wrote in a study that he co-authored in 1980.
If the estate tax is renewed next year, economists say small businesses need to plan ahead.
"By and large, the death tax is borne by people who own small businesses, who haven't had the benefit of big corporate lawyers and big corporate accounting offices to prepare them for paying this tax," said William Beach, a senior fellow in economics at the Heritage Foundation.
Ensign said he wants a zero percent death tax but since Republicans are in the minority, they're offering a counter proposal: zero percent if your wealth is under $5 million dollars and between 15 to 35 percent for any amount over that.
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Old 04-02-2009, 01:44 PM   #2
 
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The system has already been set up to need this money, it has been 45% for a long time. John Boehner is an idiot, he is sooo fake in all he says. He can't even speak without that stupid little smile of his, super dishonesty in that smile.. I know for a Fact that millionaires can afford to set up for this "known" tax, and they do.
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Old 04-02-2009, 01:58 PM   #3
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The system has already been set up to need this money, it has been 45% for a long time. John Boehner is an idiot, he is sooo fake in all he says. He can't even speak without that stupid little smile of his, super dishonesty in that smile.. I know for a Fact that millionaires can afford to set up for this "known" tax, and they do.
I guess you didn't read this part did you RM?

In 2001 and 2003, Republicans helped push through President Bush's tax cuts that lowered the estate tax from 55 percent to 45 percent this year and would have eliminated them next year.

You believe that family farms should go to the government? You believe the govt. is entitled to 45% of what you own when you die? It doesn't belong to your family? It probably wouldn't affect you anway. 45% of nothing is still nothing.

Enlighten me as to which system needs this money?

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Have you lost your mind? The Death tax was created by the Egyptians. Then was excepted by the Greeks and Romans. The tax was supported in 1797 by Adams as the legacy tax. So this comes from the REPUBLIC.
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Old 04-02-2009, 02:17 PM   #5
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Isn't the point that republicans want to eliminate it, and democrats want to put it in place and jack up the percentage of tax? What went on when Moby Dick was a guppie is of no concern to people today.
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Isn't the point that republicans want to eliminate it, and democrats want to put it in place and jack up the percentage of tax? What went on when Moby Dick was a guppie is of no concern to people today.







You may be correct, but the very reason that they want to lower everything is the problem.

Even the 'Great' Friedmon say's a tax cut is not a tax cut, without a way to pay for it.
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Old 04-02-2009, 02:40 PM   #7
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Isn't the point that republicans want to eliminate it, and democrats want to put it in place and jack up the percentage of tax? What went on when Moby Dick was a guppie is of no concern to people today.







You may be correct, but the very reason that they want to lower everything is the problem.

Even the 'Great' Friedmon say's a tax cut is not a tax cut, without a way to pay for it.
So you are telling everyone on this board you support the death tax? And why haven't you answered my questions to you?
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So you are telling everyone on this board you support the death tax? And why haven't you answered my questions to you?








I'm saying that the tax has a purpose, and to cut it, I think a way to pay for the cut needs shown. That is what the Republicans like John Boner seem to leave out when pursuing cuts.
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Old 04-02-2009, 04:55 PM   #9
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Why do you Dems always say "how are we going to pay for the cuts?" instead of hmmmmm.. how about cutting spending????

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Old 04-02-2009, 05:36 PM   #10
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Of all the taxes in the world, the death tax sucks the most. Come to the family after the death of their loved one and strip away almost half of what they lived their life to earn. In a total communist country this may be fine but it sucks here and there is no excuse for it. The first place they need to save money is to cut all of the congress and senate salaries by 45 percent. Lets see how they like that.[:@][:@][:@][:'(]
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